Felons and Guns
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wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 12:31 last edited by
Roberts leads the court. When the Supreme Justice indicates a desire to hear a case, his argument is usually persuasive.
Roberts has ducked multiple controversial cases that probably should have been heard.
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wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 12:56 last edited by
You have to wonder what his thinking is.
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wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:03 last edited by
Can you see Thomas, Gorsuch, Barrett and Alito, Kavanaugh voting to grant cert? I sure can.
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wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:11 last edited by
The first case involved a challenge by a Pennsylvania man who pleaded guilty to driving while under the influence back in 2005. He had his right to purchase or own a firearm suspended permanently. We can all probably accept the claim that driving while intoxicated is an example of reckless behavior that could result in injury or death to another person. But recklessness in and of itself doesn’t really define a person as being willfully malicious and prone to intentional acts of violence. I suppose one could make the argument that a person who is reckless with an automobile might also behave irresponsibly with a loaded weapon, but that still seems like a bit of a stretch.
The other two cases are even more bizarre. One involves a woman from Pennsylvania who made a false statement on her tax returns. The other is a guy who was convicted of making and selling bootleg cassette music tapes in the 1980s and has been barred from gun ownership ever since. Where is the connection between a person trying to shave a few bucks off of their tax bill and the risk of committing a violent gun crime? We’re talking about a literal example of white-collar crime here. And bootlegging cassettes? Will Pennsylvania next permanently ban gun ownership for people convicted of jaywalking and loitering?
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wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:16 last edited by Doctor Phibes
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
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wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:18 last edited by Mik
I think there should be some sort of definition of what sort of crime would make a person a bad bet to own a firearm. Felony assault, Burglary. Robbery. Any violent crime or actual criminal enterprise. Lying on your tax return (like that's rare!) or bootlegging songs would not meet that definition.
On the other hand, the only people this would affect is the convicted who intend to be law abiding henceforth. The people we are worried about wouldn't hesitate to get themselves a gun.
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How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:20 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
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I think there should be some sort of definition of what sort of crime would make a person a bad bet to own a firearm. Felony assault, Burglary. Robbery. Any violent crime or actual criminal enterprise. Lying on your tax return (like that's rare!) or bootlegging songs would not meet that definition.
On the other hand, the only people this would affect is the convicted who intend to be law abiding henceforth. The people we are worried about wouldn't hesitate to get themselves a gun.
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:28 last edited by@mik said in Felons and Guns:
The people we are worried about wouldn't hesitate to get themselves a gun.
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt, tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt.
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@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:32 last edited by Doctor Phibes@mik said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
No, what I'm saying is it's odd to focus on guns.
Of all the problems that former felons have to contend with, this is a peculiar thing to worry about.
Sure, they can't get decent employment, or decent housing, they're going to struggle with potential drug problems, etc. etc. . But what we really need to ensure is that they can legally buy a firearm.
As I believe I've said before, when people want to get focused on stupid shit, one of the first things they frequently do is mention the Constitution.
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@mik said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
No, what I'm saying is it's odd to focus on guns.
Of all the problems that former felons have to contend with, this is a peculiar thing to worry about.
Sure, they can't get decent employment, or decent housing, they're going to struggle with potential drug problems, etc. etc. . But what we really need to ensure is that they can legally buy a firearm.
As I believe I've said before, when people want to get focused on stupid shit, one of the first things they frequently do is mention the Constitution.
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:34 last edited by@doctor-phibes and in some states they can't vote.
Voting and firearms are constitutionally protected, as is free speech, right of assembly, etc etc.
Though sad, the items you mention are not to be found in the constitution and perhaps other remedies can be offered for those.
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@doctor-phibes and in some states they can't vote.
Voting and firearms are constitutionally protected, as is free speech, right of assembly, etc etc.
Though sad, the items you mention are not to be found in the constitution and perhaps other remedies can be offered for those.
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:36 last edited by Doctor Phibes@george-k said in Felons and Guns:
Though sad, the items you mention are not to be found in the constitution and perhaps other remedies can be offered for those
There are few problems that can't be solved by firearms.
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@doctor-phibes and in some states they can't vote.
Voting and firearms are constitutionally protected, as is free speech, right of assembly, etc etc.
Though sad, the items you mention are not to be found in the constitution and perhaps other remedies can be offered for those.
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:38 last edited by@george-k said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes and in some states they can't vote.
That, in my less than humble opinion, is flat-out wrong.
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@mik said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
No, what I'm saying is it's odd to focus on guns.
Of all the problems that former felons have to contend with, this is a peculiar thing to worry about.
Sure, they can't get decent employment, or decent housing, they're going to struggle with potential drug problems, etc. etc. . But what we really need to ensure is that they can legally buy a firearm.
As I believe I've said before, when people want to get focused on stupid shit, one of the first things they frequently do is mention the Constitution.
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 13:58 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
@mik said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
No, what I'm saying is it's odd to focus on guns.
Of all the problems that former felons have to contend with, this is a peculiar thing to worry about.
Sure, they can't get decent employment, or decent housing, they're going to struggle with potential drug problems, etc. etc. . But what we really need to ensure is that they can legally buy a firearm.
As I believe I've said before, when people want to get focused on stupid shit, one of the first things they frequently do is mention the Constitution.
I consider the right to self-defense a pretty big deal. That God-given and Constitutional right must be balanced against the crime that the person has committed and his proclivity to commit a crime of violence. When you take those rights away, you are walking over pretty sacrosanct ground.
That's a BFD.
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@george-k said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes and in some states they can't vote.
That, in my less than humble opinion, is flat-out wrong.
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 14:01 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
@george-k said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes and in some states they can't vote.
That, in my less than humble opinion, is flat-out wrong.
And voting is more important than self-defense?
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wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 14:24 last edited by
Taking gun rights away from people who did nothing wrong related to guns seems kind of arbitrary.
But no justice, no peace
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@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
@mik said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
No, what I'm saying is it's odd to focus on guns.
Of all the problems that former felons have to contend with, this is a peculiar thing to worry about.
Sure, they can't get decent employment, or decent housing, they're going to struggle with potential drug problems, etc. etc. . But what we really need to ensure is that they can legally buy a firearm.
As I believe I've said before, when people want to get focused on stupid shit, one of the first things they frequently do is mention the Constitution.
I consider the right to self-defense a pretty big deal. That God-given and Constitutional right must be balanced against the crime that the person has committed and his proclivity to commit a crime of violence. When you take those rights away, you are walking over pretty sacrosanct ground.
That's a BFD.
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 14:29 last edited by@jolly said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
@mik said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
No, what I'm saying is it's odd to focus on guns.
Of all the problems that former felons have to contend with, this is a peculiar thing to worry about.
Sure, they can't get decent employment, or decent housing, they're going to struggle with potential drug problems, etc. etc. . But what we really need to ensure is that they can legally buy a firearm.
As I believe I've said before, when people want to get focused on stupid shit, one of the first things they frequently do is mention the Constitution.
I consider the right to self-defense a pretty big deal. That God-given and Constitutional right must be balanced against the crime that the person has committed and his proclivity to commit a crime of violence. When you take those rights away, you are walking over pretty sacrosanct ground.
That's a BFD.
I agree it should be heard by the SCOTUS. My opinions regarding guns are very different from yours.
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@jolly said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
@mik said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
No, what I'm saying is it's odd to focus on guns.
Of all the problems that former felons have to contend with, this is a peculiar thing to worry about.
Sure, they can't get decent employment, or decent housing, they're going to struggle with potential drug problems, etc. etc. . But what we really need to ensure is that they can legally buy a firearm.
As I believe I've said before, when people want to get focused on stupid shit, one of the first things they frequently do is mention the Constitution.
I consider the right to self-defense a pretty big deal. That God-given and Constitutional right must be balanced against the crime that the person has committed and his proclivity to commit a crime of violence. When you take those rights away, you are walking over pretty sacrosanct ground.
That's a BFD.
I agree it should be heard by the SCOTUS. My opinions regarding guns are very different from yours.
wrote on 20 Apr 2021, 14:32 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
@jolly said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
@mik said in Felons and Guns:
@doctor-phibes said in Felons and Guns:
How oddly American that the thing people worry about for somebody getting convicted of a felony is that they won't be able to own guns any more
What you are saying is it's oddly American to hold the government to the Constitution. I would disagree,
No, what I'm saying is it's odd to focus on guns.
Of all the problems that former felons have to contend with, this is a peculiar thing to worry about.
Sure, they can't get decent employment, or decent housing, they're going to struggle with potential drug problems, etc. etc. . But what we really need to ensure is that they can legally buy a firearm.
As I believe I've said before, when people want to get focused on stupid shit, one of the first things they frequently do is mention the Constitution.
I consider the right to self-defense a pretty big deal. That God-given and Constitutional right must be balanced against the crime that the person has committed and his proclivity to commit a crime of violence. When you take those rights away, you are walking over pretty sacrosanct ground.
That's a BFD.
I agree it should be heard by the SCOTUS. My opinions regarding guns are very different from yours.
Probably because you don't shoot worth a damn.
