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  • George KG George K

    @klaus said in Big Sur:

    Next week, probably.
    Of course I'm not so insane to pay for such superfluous toys with my own money, hence I have to go through some bureaucracy to get it.

    Annnnnd?

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    Klaus
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    #28

    @george-k said in Big Sur:

    @klaus said in Big Sur:

    Next week, probably.
    Of course I'm not so insane to pay for such superfluous toys with my own money, hence I have to go through some bureaucracy to get it.

    Annnnnd?

    I have the package, but I haven't unwrapped it yet.

    I've read about quite a few problems with the ARM processor related to Homebrew and a couple of programs I need. Rosetta does seem to be make things complicated, and things get messy when programs containing X86 and ARM code are mixed, or the same program exists in parallel for both.

    Maybe I'll give it a try soon, but I hope that time will work in my favor.

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      #29

      Homebrew, since version 3.0.0, can supposedly run natively on the Apple M1 silicon. I thought I had installed it on my M1 MacBook Air but apparently I haven't.

      I found this site helpful to check whether a software title Is Apple Silicon Ready:
      https://isapplesiliconready.com

      Have fun with your new M1 Mac!

      Using various web applications that rely quite heavily on Java scripts, I have found that my M1 MacBook Air often gives noticeable speed boosts over my Intel Core i5 MacBook Air.

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      • George KG George K

        Mac OS 11 was released this week. It has lots of interface changes and tweaks. I guess Apple considered it important enough of an update to not call it Mac OS X 10.16.

        I've been booting my Mac from an external SSD via thunderbolt, and overall, I've been pleased with the increase in performance thus far. However, I thought I'd take the plunge and try Big Sur.

        After cloning the external boot drive to another hard drive, and making sure that I had a recent Time Machine backup AND backups in the cloud, I reformatted the external SSD and installed Mac OS 11.

        Having done that, using Migration Assistant, I copied my application folder and my home folders from the cloned drive - about half a terabyte.

        Everything went pretty smoothly, and I am using Mac OS 11 Big Sur now.

        I am impressed with how much faster it seems to be. It's entirely possible that it's because I wiped the boot drive and started from scratch, but overall, apps launch MUCH faster. Safari is remarkable in it's speed. In the two hours I've been using it, no major glitches so far.

        My 2014 iMac feels brand new.

        ETA: Be sure you back up your stuff before this update, as it's a MAJOR one. Back up to the cloud, an external drive, clone your boot drive.

        And then, back up again.

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        @george-k said in Big Sur:

        ETA: Be sure you back up your stuff before this update, as it's a MAJOR one. Back up to the cloud, an external drive, clone your boot drive.
        And then, back up again.

        lol.

        I just let it fly. If it bricked the machine, so be it.

        It did not brick my MacBook Pro. I am now running Big Sur. I think I was at least one or two major releases behind until last night.

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        • markM mark

          @george-k said in Big Sur:

          ETA: Be sure you back up your stuff before this update, as it's a MAJOR one. Back up to the cloud, an external drive, clone your boot drive.
          And then, back up again.

          lol.

          I just let it fly. If it bricked the machine, so be it.

          It did not brick my MacBook Pro. I am now running Big Sur. I think I was at least one or two major releases behind until last night.

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          @mark said in Big Sur:

          I think I was at least one or two major releases behind until last night.

          I still have an old Mac running Snow Leopard, and it's good for many things. There, I have Adobe's Creative Suite 6 with a perpetual license, unlike the new Adobe Creative Cloud stuff where I have to pay recurring subscription fees if I want to keep using the new stuff. It also has an old school PDF implementation that can deal with some PDF things that Apple's newer PDF implementation cannot deal with.

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            @mark said in Big Sur:

            I think I was at least one or two major releases behind until last night.

            I still have an old Mac running Snow Leopard, and it's good for many things. There, I have Adobe's Creative Suite 6 with a perpetual license, unlike the new Adobe Creative Cloud stuff where I have to pay recurring subscription fees if I want to keep using the new stuff. It also has an old school PDF implementation that can deal with some PDF things that Apple's newer PDF implementation cannot deal with.

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            @axtremus I no longer worry what Apple products can or cannot do. The MacBook Pro from Mid 2015 will be the last Apple product I will ever own.

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            • George KG George K

              @klaus said in Big Sur:

              Next week, probably.
              Of course I'm not so insane to pay for such superfluous toys with my own money, hence I have to go through some bureaucracy to get it.

              Annnnnd?

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              wrote on last edited by Klaus
              #33

              @george-k said in Big Sur:

              @klaus said in Big Sur:

              Next week, probably.
              Of course I'm not so insane to pay for such superfluous toys with my own money, hence I have to go through some bureaucracy to get it.

              Annnnnd?

              Finally.

              d6d051a6-6213-472d-ac4f-2e769712a6e4-image.png

              I was positively surprised how well the migration worked, even across CPU architectures. This is one thing where Mac OS is lightyears ahead of Windows.

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                Klaus
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                #34

                ... and the problems with the M1 chip have already started. Grr. Maybe I'll put it back in the box for a few months.

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                • KlausK Klaus

                  ... and the problems with the M1 chip have already started. Grr. Maybe I'll put it back in the box for a few months.

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                  George K
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                  @klaus what problems?

                  Rumor is that Apple might introduce new iMacs tomorrow....perhaps I should wait.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @klaus what problems?

                    Rumor is that Apple might introduce new iMacs tomorrow....perhaps I should wait.

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                    @george-k said in Big Sur:

                    @klaus what problems?

                    Installation failures related to M1; having to use Intel/M1 versions of things side-by-side etc.

                    Mostly programming-related stuff; I assume for standard software this is not an issue.

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                      For my M1 MacBook Air, I have decided early on that I will only install on it software that natively supports the Apple silicon. So far that plan is working out nicely. My M1 MacBook Air is performing very well.

                      The thing I really want to try is run an iOS or iPadOS app on the M1 Mac, but most iOS/iPadOS apps I care to use have not been verified to be able to run on an M1 Mac, and they ones that have been thus verified are not interesting enough for me to bother. So I will wait a bit longer for this.

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                        Klaus
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                        #38

                        OK, now I have a serious problem. My Elgato HDMI-to-USB "Cam Link" adapter for my camera isn't working. These days, I need that every single day. Damn.

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                          #39

                          Solved it by using a different USB port 👀

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                          • KlausK Klaus

                            Solved it by using a different USB port 👀

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
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                            @klaus said in Big Sur:

                            Solved it by using a different USB port 👀

                            So, the "Universal Serial Bus" wasn't all that "universal" was it?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @klaus said in Big Sur:

                              Solved it by using a different USB port 👀

                              So, the "Universal Serial Bus" wasn't all that "universal" was it?

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @george-k said in Big Sur:

                              @klaus said in Big Sur:

                              Solved it by using a different USB port 👀

                              So, the "Universal Serial Bus" wasn't all that "universal" was it?

                              Main Bus B Undervolt?

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                @jon-nyc said in Big Sur:

                                @george-k said in Big Sur:

                                Also, why reluctantly?

                                Horace is rich enough as it is and Klaus resents subsidizing his luxurious lifestyle.

                                @Klaus will soon be further crushed by the realization that Haskell does not work on the Apple M1 silicon yet.

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                                @axtremus said in Big Sur:

                                @Klaus will soon be further crushed by the realization that Haskell does not work on the Apple M1 silicon yet.

                                @Klaus, Haskell now has an M1-optimized version, 8.10.5.

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