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So About This Russian Bounty Thing

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  • L Loki

    Remember this breathtaking news by NYT, where is it now???

    No scorecard for track record I suppose.

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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #92

    @Loki said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

    Remember this breathtaking news by NYT, where is it now???

    Here:

    And then there's this:

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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #93

      It got no traction and they were exposed once again.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        AFAIK, there is no hard intelligence this actually happened.

        We've got bigger things to worry about.

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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #94

        @jolly

        https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-walks-back-claim-russians-put-bounties-on-american-troops

        "But on Thursday, the Biden administration announced that U.S. intelligence only had “low to moderate” confidence in the story after all. Translated from the jargon of spyworld, that means the intelligence agencies have found the story is, at best, unproven—and possibly untrue.

        “The United States intelligence community assesses with low to moderate confidence that Russian intelligence officers sought to encourage Taliban attacks U.S. and coalition personnel in Afghanistan in 2019 and perhaps earlier,” a senior administration official said."

        “This information puts a burden on the Russian government to explain its actions and take steps to address this disturbing pattern of behavior,” the official said, indicating that Biden is unprepared to walk the story back fully.

        Significantly, the Biden team announced a raft of sanctions on Thursday. But those sanctions, targeting Russia’s sovereign debt market, are prompted only by Russia’s interference in the 2020 election and its alleged role in the SolarWinds cyber espionage. (In contrast, Biden administration officials said that their assessment attributing the breach of technology company SolarWinds to hackers from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service was “high confidence.”)

        Putting on a tinfoil hat here, isn't it just possible that this type of disinformation was used to, ahem, affect an election?

        Nah...

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @jolly

          https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-walks-back-claim-russians-put-bounties-on-american-troops

          "But on Thursday, the Biden administration announced that U.S. intelligence only had “low to moderate” confidence in the story after all. Translated from the jargon of spyworld, that means the intelligence agencies have found the story is, at best, unproven—and possibly untrue.

          “The United States intelligence community assesses with low to moderate confidence that Russian intelligence officers sought to encourage Taliban attacks U.S. and coalition personnel in Afghanistan in 2019 and perhaps earlier,” a senior administration official said."

          “This information puts a burden on the Russian government to explain its actions and take steps to address this disturbing pattern of behavior,” the official said, indicating that Biden is unprepared to walk the story back fully.

          Significantly, the Biden team announced a raft of sanctions on Thursday. But those sanctions, targeting Russia’s sovereign debt market, are prompted only by Russia’s interference in the 2020 election and its alleged role in the SolarWinds cyber espionage. (In contrast, Biden administration officials said that their assessment attributing the breach of technology company SolarWinds to hackers from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service was “high confidence.”)

          Putting on a tinfoil hat here, isn't it just possible that this type of disinformation was used to, ahem, affect an election?

          Nah...

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          Loki
          wrote on last edited by
          #95

          @george-k said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

          @jolly

          https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-walks-back-claim-russians-put-bounties-on-american-troops

          "But on Thursday, the Biden administration announced that U.S. intelligence only had “low to moderate” confidence in the story after all. Translated from the jargon of spyworld, that means the intelligence agencies have found the story is, at best, unproven—and possibly untrue.

          “The United States intelligence community assesses with low to moderate confidence that Russian intelligence officers sought to encourage Taliban attacks U.S. and coalition personnel in Afghanistan in 2019 and perhaps earlier,” a senior administration official said."

          “This information puts a burden on the Russian government to explain its actions and take steps to address this disturbing pattern of behavior,” the official said, indicating that Biden is unprepared to walk the story back fully.

          Significantly, the Biden team announced a raft of sanctions on Thursday. But those sanctions, targeting Russia’s sovereign debt market, are prompted only by Russia’s interference in the 2020 election and its alleged role in the SolarWinds cyber espionage. (In contrast, Biden administration officials said that their assessment attributing the breach of technology company SolarWinds to hackers from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service was “high confidence.”)

          Putting on a tinfoil hat here, isn't it just possible that this type of disinformation was used to, ahem, affect an election?

          Nah...

          Yup another bit of vomit from the people who call other people liars. You can’t make this up.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #96

            There are some people that need to roast in Hell for eternity.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #97

              BTW...Cats, what is your opinion on this story now?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #98

                This story was so forgettable that I had actually forgotten about it until now.

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  This story was so forgettable that I had actually forgotten about it until now.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #99

                  @renauda said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

                  This story was so forgettable that I had actually forgotten about it until now.

                  Just consider us a regurgitating memory hole....

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #100

                    Even if there was any truth to it at all, they may well have gotten the idea from us in the 1980's.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #101

                      "Dies in darkness" remember:

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                      Wait...never mind:

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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        BTW...Cats, what is your opinion on this story now?

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                        Catseye3
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #102

                        @jolly said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

                        Cats, what is your opinion on this story now?

                        I dunno. I forgot already.

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #103

                          The WaPo fact checker (LOLGF):

                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/30/trumps-four-pinocchio-interview-russian-bounties/

                          onathan Swan, Axios: “It’s been widely reported that the U.S. has intelligence indicating that Russia paid bounties, or offered to pay bounties, to Taliban fighters to kill American soldiers. You had a phone call with Vladimir Putin on July 23rd. Did you bring up this issue?”
                          President Trump: “No, that was a phone call to discuss other things, and frankly, that’s an issue that many people said was fake news.”
                          — Exchange on “Axios on HBO,” July 29, 2020
                          Trump: “It never reached my desk. You know why? Because they didn’t think it — intelligence — they didn’t think it was real.”
                          Swan: “It was in your written brief, though.”
                          Trump: “They didn’t think, they didn’t think it was worthy. I wouldn’t mind. If it reached my desk, I would have done something about it. It never reached my desk because — ”
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                          Swan: “Do you read your written brief?”
                          Trump: “I do. I read it a lot. I read a lot. They like to say I don’t read. I read a lot. I comprehend extraordinarily well, probably better than anybody you’ve interviewed in a long time.”
                          — “Axios on HBO” interview
                          Trump rarely gets fact-checked on camera, but here we have a good example of an interviewer pressing and prodding on a sensitive topic.
                          The president has been dismissive of U.S. intelligence reports that Russia offered bounties to the Taliban to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan. (A “hoax” or “fake news,” Trump says.)
                          Follow-up questions in a one-on-one setting can expose the strength or weakness of a claim. When asked about reports that he was briefed on the intelligence, and why he didn’t raise the bounties in a call with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Trump started dissembling in response.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • L Offline
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                            Loki
                            wrote on last edited by Loki
                            #104

                            The media actually helped China through our sole obsession with Russia and now we woke up and are saying holy shit how did they do all that.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #105

                              alt text

                              alt text

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Loki
                                wrote on last edited by Loki
                                #106

                                Hillary got in on the action too. Would be fun to see the talking points memo that went out and how wide the Soviet style disinformation campaign was.

                                https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/23/hillary-clinton/fact-checking-hillary-clinton-donald-trumps-respon/

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #107

                                  So all these players are spreading misinformation, or at least "unverified" information via social media.

                                  And still, they persisted.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #108

                                    But, Trump.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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