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So About This Russian Bounty Thing

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  • Catseye3C Catseye3

    Media Bias Fact Check rates Just the News thusly: "Overall, we rate Just the News moderately Right Biased based on story selection that mostly favors a conservative perspective. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information and a reasonable fact check record."

    For more, go here: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

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    George K
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    @Catseye3 said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

    Media Bias Fact Check rates Just the News thusly: "Overall, we rate Just the News moderately Right Biased based on story selection that mostly favors a conservative perspective. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information and a reasonable fact check record."

    For more, go here: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

    Here's the front page of today's New York Times. Tell me there's no bias in their reporting of what they consider "The News."

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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      My comment from the Media Bias Check wasn't meant to be critical. Did you read it also said "High for factual reporting"?

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • Catseye3C Catseye3

        My comment from the Media Bias Check wasn't meant to be critical. Did you read it also said "High for factual reporting"?

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        @Catseye3 said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

        My comment from the Media Bias Check wasn't meant to be critical. Did you read it also said "High for factual reporting"?

        Of course I did. My point is that it mixes editorializing with "factual reporting." When words like "railing," "discordant,"and "divisive" appear in the so-called "news" section, on the front page, above the fold, it makes me wonder what other "factual reporting" The Times is doing.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Cats, your post was about how Just The News seems to be pretty factual, while George's is about how the NYT is not. They are complementary.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            Cats, your post was about how Just The News seems to be pretty factual, while George's is about how the NYT is not. They are complementary.

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            @Mik OIC.

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              Remember this breathtaking news by NYT, where is it now???

              No scorecard for track record I suppose.

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              • L Loki

                Remember this breathtaking news by NYT, where is it now???

                No scorecard for track record I suppose.

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                George K
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                #92

                @Loki said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

                Remember this breathtaking news by NYT, where is it now???

                Here:

                And then there's this:

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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  #93

                  It got no traction and they were exposed once again.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    AFAIK, there is no hard intelligence this actually happened.

                    We've got bigger things to worry about.

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                    @jolly

                    https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-walks-back-claim-russians-put-bounties-on-american-troops

                    "But on Thursday, the Biden administration announced that U.S. intelligence only had “low to moderate” confidence in the story after all. Translated from the jargon of spyworld, that means the intelligence agencies have found the story is, at best, unproven—and possibly untrue.

                    “The United States intelligence community assesses with low to moderate confidence that Russian intelligence officers sought to encourage Taliban attacks U.S. and coalition personnel in Afghanistan in 2019 and perhaps earlier,” a senior administration official said."

                    “This information puts a burden on the Russian government to explain its actions and take steps to address this disturbing pattern of behavior,” the official said, indicating that Biden is unprepared to walk the story back fully.

                    Significantly, the Biden team announced a raft of sanctions on Thursday. But those sanctions, targeting Russia’s sovereign debt market, are prompted only by Russia’s interference in the 2020 election and its alleged role in the SolarWinds cyber espionage. (In contrast, Biden administration officials said that their assessment attributing the breach of technology company SolarWinds to hackers from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service was “high confidence.”)

                    Putting on a tinfoil hat here, isn't it just possible that this type of disinformation was used to, ahem, affect an election?

                    Nah...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @jolly

                      https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-walks-back-claim-russians-put-bounties-on-american-troops

                      "But on Thursday, the Biden administration announced that U.S. intelligence only had “low to moderate” confidence in the story after all. Translated from the jargon of spyworld, that means the intelligence agencies have found the story is, at best, unproven—and possibly untrue.

                      “The United States intelligence community assesses with low to moderate confidence that Russian intelligence officers sought to encourage Taliban attacks U.S. and coalition personnel in Afghanistan in 2019 and perhaps earlier,” a senior administration official said."

                      “This information puts a burden on the Russian government to explain its actions and take steps to address this disturbing pattern of behavior,” the official said, indicating that Biden is unprepared to walk the story back fully.

                      Significantly, the Biden team announced a raft of sanctions on Thursday. But those sanctions, targeting Russia’s sovereign debt market, are prompted only by Russia’s interference in the 2020 election and its alleged role in the SolarWinds cyber espionage. (In contrast, Biden administration officials said that their assessment attributing the breach of technology company SolarWinds to hackers from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service was “high confidence.”)

                      Putting on a tinfoil hat here, isn't it just possible that this type of disinformation was used to, ahem, affect an election?

                      Nah...

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                      @george-k said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

                      @jolly

                      https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-walks-back-claim-russians-put-bounties-on-american-troops

                      "But on Thursday, the Biden administration announced that U.S. intelligence only had “low to moderate” confidence in the story after all. Translated from the jargon of spyworld, that means the intelligence agencies have found the story is, at best, unproven—and possibly untrue.

                      “The United States intelligence community assesses with low to moderate confidence that Russian intelligence officers sought to encourage Taliban attacks U.S. and coalition personnel in Afghanistan in 2019 and perhaps earlier,” a senior administration official said."

                      “This information puts a burden on the Russian government to explain its actions and take steps to address this disturbing pattern of behavior,” the official said, indicating that Biden is unprepared to walk the story back fully.

                      Significantly, the Biden team announced a raft of sanctions on Thursday. But those sanctions, targeting Russia’s sovereign debt market, are prompted only by Russia’s interference in the 2020 election and its alleged role in the SolarWinds cyber espionage. (In contrast, Biden administration officials said that their assessment attributing the breach of technology company SolarWinds to hackers from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service was “high confidence.”)

                      Putting on a tinfoil hat here, isn't it just possible that this type of disinformation was used to, ahem, affect an election?

                      Nah...

                      Yup another bit of vomit from the people who call other people liars. You can’t make this up.

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                        There are some people that need to roast in Hell for eternity.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          BTW...Cats, what is your opinion on this story now?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            This story was so forgettable that I had actually forgotten about it until now.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              This story was so forgettable that I had actually forgotten about it until now.

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                              @renauda said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

                              This story was so forgettable that I had actually forgotten about it until now.

                              Just consider us a regurgitating memory hole....

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Even if there was any truth to it at all, they may well have gotten the idea from us in the 1980's.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  "Dies in darkness" remember:

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                                  Wait...never mind:

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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    BTW...Cats, what is your opinion on this story now?

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                                    @jolly said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:

                                    Cats, what is your opinion on this story now?

                                    I dunno. I forgot already.

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                      George K
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                                      The WaPo fact checker (LOLGF):

                                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/30/trumps-four-pinocchio-interview-russian-bounties/

                                      onathan Swan, Axios: “It’s been widely reported that the U.S. has intelligence indicating that Russia paid bounties, or offered to pay bounties, to Taliban fighters to kill American soldiers. You had a phone call with Vladimir Putin on July 23rd. Did you bring up this issue?”
                                      President Trump: “No, that was a phone call to discuss other things, and frankly, that’s an issue that many people said was fake news.”
                                      — Exchange on “Axios on HBO,” July 29, 2020
                                      Trump: “It never reached my desk. You know why? Because they didn’t think it — intelligence — they didn’t think it was real.”
                                      Swan: “It was in your written brief, though.”
                                      Trump: “They didn’t think, they didn’t think it was worthy. I wouldn’t mind. If it reached my desk, I would have done something about it. It never reached my desk because — ”
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                                      Swan: “Do you read your written brief?”
                                      Trump: “I do. I read it a lot. I read a lot. They like to say I don’t read. I read a lot. I comprehend extraordinarily well, probably better than anybody you’ve interviewed in a long time.”
                                      — “Axios on HBO” interview
                                      Trump rarely gets fact-checked on camera, but here we have a good example of an interviewer pressing and prodding on a sensitive topic.
                                      The president has been dismissive of U.S. intelligence reports that Russia offered bounties to the Taliban to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan. (A “hoax” or “fake news,” Trump says.)
                                      Follow-up questions in a one-on-one setting can expose the strength or weakness of a claim. When asked about reports that he was briefed on the intelligence, and why he didn’t raise the bounties in a call with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Trump started dissembling in response.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Loki
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                                        #104

                                        The media actually helped China through our sole obsession with Russia and now we woke up and are saying holy shit how did they do all that.

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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