Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th
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wrote on 14 Apr 2021, 17:05 last edited by
tl;dr
Congress was warned that it was the target, and didn't ask for support from National Guard. Capitol Police were told to not deploy highest level of resources..
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wrote on 14 Apr 2021, 17:10 last edited by
Almost like they wanted something to happen...
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wrote on 14 Apr 2021, 17:42 last edited by
I listened to a podcast with Stanley McChrsytal and Chris Fussell on January 6. One thing that struck me when they talked about context from the 1960’s to today was that a bias emerged that literally no one could believe their eyes as to what was happening, as in many protests but they never led up to what happened on Jan 6.
That bias was really interesting to me and I thought captured an important point. Now, should the threat assessment been taken seriously regardless, that is another matter.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2021, 18:05 last edited by
@jolly said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Almost like they wanted something to happen...
Almost, yeah. Almost like the sun will almost come up tomorrow.
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wrote on 15 Apr 2021, 01:36 last edited by
Probably both sides thoughts something would happen but did not realize that it would get so big.
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Probably both sides thoughts something would happen but did not realize that it would get so big.
wrote on 15 Apr 2021, 02:00 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Probably both sides thoughts something would happen but did not realize that it would get so big.
Uh, no.
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wrote on 15 Apr 2021, 02:24 last edited by xenon
Let’s not forget the President egged these people on and sent them to the capitol.
Presumably he knew if people in the security apparatus did.
Did he want something to happen?
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wrote on 15 Apr 2021, 02:29 last edited by
I still want to know why the Capitol Police opened the gates and the doors.
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Let’s not forget the President egged these people on and sent them to the capitol.
Presumably he knew if people in the security apparatus did.
Did he want something to happen?
wrote on 15 Apr 2021, 04:41 last edited by@xenon said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Let’s not forget the President egged these people on and sent them to the capitol.
Presumably he knew if people in the security apparatus did.
Did he want something to happen?
Are you still telling that lie? Did you not listen to what the President said?
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@xenon said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Let’s not forget the President egged these people on and sent them to the capitol.
Presumably he knew if people in the security apparatus did.
Did he want something to happen?
Are you still telling that lie? Did you not listen to what the President said?
wrote on 15 Apr 2021, 05:32 last edited by@jolly said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
@xenon said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Let’s not forget the President egged these people on and sent them to the capitol.
Presumably he knew if people in the security apparatus did.
Did he want something to happen?
Are you still telling that lie? Did you not listen to what the President said?
Isn’t the premise of the article - “congressional leadership should have known the mob was going to attack the capitol”
If that’s true - think through the implications for Trump.
I don’t think you want to agree with this article.
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@jolly said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
@xenon said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Let’s not forget the President egged these people on and sent them to the capitol.
Presumably he knew if people in the security apparatus did.
Did he want something to happen?
Are you still telling that lie? Did you not listen to what the President said?
Isn’t the premise of the article - “congressional leadership should have known the mob was going to attack the capitol”
If that’s true - think through the implications for Trump.
I don’t think you want to agree with this article.
wrote on 15 Apr 2021, 11:51 last edited by@xenon said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
@jolly said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
@xenon said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Let’s not forget the President egged these people on and sent them to the capitol.
Presumably he knew if people in the security apparatus did.
Did he want something to happen?
Are you still telling that lie? Did you not listen to what the President said?
Isn’t the premise of the article - “congressional leadership should have known the mob was going to attack the capitol”
If that’s true - think through the implications for Trump.
I don’t think you want to agree with this article.
Read the article.
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@xenon said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
@jolly said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
@xenon said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Let’s not forget the President egged these people on and sent them to the capitol.
Presumably he knew if people in the security apparatus did.
Did he want something to happen?
Are you still telling that lie? Did you not listen to what the President said?
Isn’t the premise of the article - “congressional leadership should have known the mob was going to attack the capitol”
If that’s true - think through the implications for Trump.
I don’t think you want to agree with this article.
Read the article.
wrote on 15 Apr 2021, 13:36 last edited by@jolly said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Read the article.
Bolton and his staff reportedly found in its 104-page report that, three days before the riot, officials were warned in an intelligence assessment that “Congress itself is the target” in the planned protests. Congress was further warned that “Stop the Steal’s propensity to attract white supremacists, militia members, and others who actively promote violence may lead to a significantly dangerous situation for law enforcement and the general public alike.”
That would seem more than sufficient reason to call for National Guard support and assemble the full force and resources available to the Capitol Policee
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wrote on 16 Apr 2021, 02:28 last edited by
I agree with @xenon Both sides had to know there was a high potential for something to happen. You would have to be nave to think otherwise. Both the leaders of congress and President Trump are either stupid or lying if they say that they did not expect bad things to happen.
I am sure that they did. BUT, both sides did not expect it to get so bad.
From the Presidents side, he was hoping he could say, "look, millions of US people came to Washington DC today in support of the stolen election. Yes, they got a little mad, but that is the mood of the country. In the end, nothing really bad happened today. That shows how under control they are."
From the Congress side, they were hoping they could say, "Look, hundreds of US people came to Washington DC today wanting to overthrow the legitimate election. You could see the violence in their faces. We were lucky we were prepared so nothing really bad happened today. That shows how out of control they are."
But, it got bigger than either thought it would and got out of control.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2021, 03:34 last edited by
Trump specifically told the people at the rally to put political pressure on Congress. At no time did he incite the crowd to commit any illegal acts.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2021, 03:38 last edited by
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Trump specifically told the people at the rally to put political pressure on Congress. At no time did he incite the crowd to commit any illegal acts.
wrote on 16 Apr 2021, 04:08 last edited by xenon@jolly said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Trump specifically told the people at the rally to put political pressure on Congress. At no time did he incite the crowd to commit any illegal acts.
Would he not have seen the same intelligence that Congress saw? If Congress should have called the national guard on his crowd... shouldn't he have at least told his crowd to... chill?
The article says that the adults in the room should have had the foresight AND had the intelligence to call the national guard on Trump's crowd.
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@jolly said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Trump specifically told the people at the rally to put political pressure on Congress. At no time did he incite the crowd to commit any illegal acts.
Would he not have seen the same intelligence that Congress saw? If Congress should have called the national guard on his crowd... shouldn't he have at least told his crowd to... chill?
The article says that the adults in the room should have had the foresight AND had the intelligence to call the national guard on Trump's crowd.
wrote on 16 Apr 2021, 10:45 last edited by@xenon said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
@jolly said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Trump specifically told the people at the rally to put political pressure on Congress. At no time did he incite the crowd to commit any illegal acts.
Would he not have seen the same intelligence that Congress saw? If Congress should have called the national guard on his crowd... shouldn't he have at least told his crowd to... chill?
The article says that the adults in the room should have had the foresight AND had the intelligence to call the national guard on Trump's crowd.
Russian Bounty, anyone? Never assume the President sees everything. Or that what he sees is given credence. His threat assessment paper is a lot more complicated than what lands on other people's desks.
But...Now we know that threat assessments were forwarded to Congress. They could have stepped up security if they wished. On thus one though, I can understand a bit. There is always some threat or potential problem swirling in the air with any large public event in Washington. There had not been any type of violence at any previous Trump rallies. I assume the intelligence was looked at and a decision was made the possibility of threat was outweighed by the negative optics of heightened security.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2021, 10:46 last edited by Jolly
@axtremus said in Turley on the IG report on Jan 6th:
Link to video
And...He encourages them to walk down to the Capitol. To make their voices heard in protest.
You've got something against a peaceful protest?
