Once upon a virus
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 15:44 last edited by
Except I didn’t whaddabout.
If you start a thread criticizing Nancy Pelosi, that’s not whatabboutism, that’s just criticizing Nancy Pelosi. (By the way, if you do that, I’m sure Aqua, 89th and I would happily join in!)
Whattaboutism is when someone attacks a person you feel required to defend, but can’t. So you seek to change the subject or neutralize the criticism.
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@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”wrote on 3 May 2020, 15:48 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Mar 2020, 15:49@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
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@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
wrote on 3 May 2020, 15:58 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
I don’t really defend Trump except to extent that I see the attack of the week on Trump for three and a half years. It’s like putting whatever fodder you have in your cannon. The latest is that Trump is at fault for our Covid response when the timeline shows East and west and democrat and republican were largely acting the same way.
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Except I didn’t whaddabout.
If you start a thread criticizing Nancy Pelosi, that’s not whatabboutism, that’s just criticizing Nancy Pelosi. (By the way, if you do that, I’m sure Aqua, 89th and I would happily join in!)
Whattaboutism is when someone attacks a person you feel required to defend, but can’t. So you seek to change the subject or neutralize the criticism.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 16:04 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
Whattaboutism is when someone attacks a person you feel required to defend, but can’t. So you seek to change the subject or neutralize the criticism.
Exactly.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 16:18 last edited by Horace 5 Mar 2020, 16:19
I look forward to seeing which country the vaccine will ultimately come from, and whether the cultural values of that country played a large role in developing the economic and academic infrastructure which allowed for the invention of the vaccine.
I also look forward to comparing America's numbers at the end of this thing to every other country which presumably does not suffer from the cultural attitudes inadequate to deal with this virus.
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I look forward to seeing which country the vaccine will ultimately come from, and whether the cultural values of that country played a large role in developing the economic and academic infrastructure which allowed for the invention of the vaccine.
I also look forward to comparing America's numbers at the end of this thing to every other country which presumably does not suffer from the cultural attitudes inadequate to deal with this virus.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 16:42 last edited byWhile some people are busy adjudicating who did what in January and February purely for political reasons others are thinking about how to restart a dead economy and avoid total eceonomic catastrophe for hundreds of millions. If that is whataboutism so be it.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 18:02 last edited by 89th 5 Mar 2020, 18:02
Defending Trump’s lies and errors by bringing up Pelosi is “thinking about how to restart a dead economy and avoid total eceonomic catastrophe”? Da fuq?
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@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
I don’t really defend Trump except to extent that I see the attack of the week on Trump for three and a half years. It’s like putting whatever fodder you have in your cannon. The latest is that Trump is at fault for our Covid response when the timeline shows East and west and democrat and republican were largely acting the same way.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 18:09 last edited by@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
I don’t really defend Trump except to extent that I see the attack of the week on Trump for three and a half years. It’s like putting whatever fodder you have in your cannon. The latest is that Trump is at fault for our Covid response when the timeline shows East and west and democrat and republican were largely acting the same way.
Some folks have adequately wrapped their heads around the problem such that they no longer speak moronic in the context of what's presently known.
Donald Trump is still not doing this.
Oh and fuck Nancy Pelosi, she's an asshole. Between suspecting 89th is a liberal or myself, I'm not sure which is the funnier idea.
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@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
I don’t really defend Trump except to extent that I see the attack of the week on Trump for three and a half years. It’s like putting whatever fodder you have in your cannon. The latest is that Trump is at fault for our Covid response when the timeline shows East and west and democrat and republican were largely acting the same way.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 18:16 last edited by@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
I don’t really defend Trump except to extent that I see the attack of the week on Trump for three and a half years.
Jonah Goldberg once said that anti- anti-Trump is the gateway drug to pro-Trump.
And I gotta say for at least 2 years now you've been looking for veins in your toes.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 18:22 last edited by
Goldberg has as much visceral hatred of Trump as anybody. And since he's a human, that reduces to approximately zero his ability to think clearly about anything to do with Trump. Shame so many things have to do with Trump in our adult lifetimes.
From the beginning it has not been possible to consider Trump to be the better choice as POTUS than Hillary, and not be sneered at as a laughable buffoon by many who really just hate Trump as a person more than as a president. But that attitude had rhetorical consequences, for instance it created a large class of people incapable of admitting that they'd rather see Trump as president than Sanders.
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@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
I don’t really defend Trump except to extent that I see the attack of the week on Trump for three and a half years. It’s like putting whatever fodder you have in your cannon. The latest is that Trump is at fault for our Covid response when the timeline shows East and west and democrat and republican were largely acting the same way.
Some folks have adequately wrapped their heads around the problem such that they no longer speak moronic in the context of what's presently known.
Donald Trump is still not doing this.
Oh and fuck Nancy Pelosi, she's an asshole. Between suspecting 89th is a liberal or myself, I'm not sure which is the funnier idea.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 18:52 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Once upon a virus:
@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
I don’t really defend Trump except to extent that I see the attack of the week on Trump for three and a half years. It’s like putting whatever fodder you have in your cannon. The latest is that Trump is at fault for our Covid response when the timeline shows East and west and democrat and republican were largely acting the same way.
Some folks have adequately wrapped their heads around the problem such that they no longer speak moronic in the context of what's presently known.
Donald Trump is still not doing this.
Oh and fuck Nancy Pelosi, she's an asshole. Between suspecting 89th is a liberal or myself, I'm not sure which is the funnier idea.
Well if you think I think you and 89th are liberals that’s on you. And I also knew what you and Jon think of Pelosi. Choosing to think I was speaking specifically of Pelosi versus using her as an example of where most people where at was whoever’s error who chose to think that.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 19:08 last edited by
Fair enough.