What about the suicide rate?

[Copper]

@brenda said in What about the suicide rate?:

Defying predictions, suicides dropped in 2020

Why did I have the impression that it wasn't a prediction, I thought it was happening? Was it up among students?

[brenda]

@copper The surveys of young people said they were despondent and thinking of suicide. Glad they didn't follow through.

[George K]

I can't comment on the statistics, or their validity. I have no reason to doubt them.

However D2 (doctor of clinical psychology) has definite seen an uptick spike in suicidal ideation in the last year.

And a spike in domestic violence.

And a spike in various people "in crisis". I have no idea what that means.

[brenda]

@george-k The increase in ideation follows the surveys. Glad the suicide numbers did not.

[brenda]

Yes, I have heard that domestic violence is up. Togetherness isn't always a good thing.

[Doctor Phibes]

I read that the overall death rate was up by 15.9% in 2020, which seems like a huge jump.

[Copper]

Stats published under Mr. Biden's administration, so believe it or else

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm#:~:text=In 2020%2C approximately 3%2C358%2C814 deaths,828.7 deaths per 100%2C000 population.

In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States. From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population. COVID-19 was reported as the underlying cause of death or a contributing cause of death for an estimated 377,883 (11.3%) of those deaths (91.5 deaths per 100,000).

[Doctor Phibes]

It seems to me that the total number of deaths is the best measurement of the real effects of Covid since it just looks at the deaths, and ignores the question of whether 'dying with Covid' is the same as 'dying from Covid', which a lot of covid-skeptics seem to get hung up on.

Obviously, it doesn't take into account the large number of people having non-fatal but serious health issues.

[LuFins Dad]

@doctor-phibes said in What about the suicide rate?:

It seems to me that the total number of deaths is the best measurement of the real effects of Covid since it just looks at the deaths, and ignores the question of whether 'dying with Covid' is the same as 'dying from Covid', which a lot of covid-skeptics seem to get hung up on.

Obviously, it doesn't take into account the large number of people having non-fatal but serious health issues.

I have to disagree... A lot of people have been killed by the stress of this thing, even without contracting it. How many people refused to seek treatment for what they thought was a relatively mild problem and were scared to go to the doctor? How many people had stress induced strokes or cardiac arrests that were heavily influenced by the constant barrage of news stories, each trying to out horrify the next? How many people overdosed trying to escape this?

I heard one analysis on Federal News Radio that put 70% of the excess deaths on COVID directly, but also referenced that almost all of the remaining deaths were from causes like I listed.

[Doctor Phibes]

@lufins-dad said in What about the suicide rate?:

@doctor-phibes said in What about the suicide rate?:

It seems to me that the total number of deaths is the best measurement of the real effects of Covid since it just looks at the deaths, and ignores the question of whether 'dying with Covid' is the same as 'dying from Covid', which a lot of covid-skeptics seem to get hung up on.

Obviously, it doesn't take into account the large number of people having non-fatal but serious health issues.

I have to disagree... A lot of people have been killed by the stress of this thing, even without contracting it. How many people refused to seek treatment for what they thought was a relatively mild problem and were scared to go to the doctor? How many people had stress induced strokes or cardiac arrests that were heavily influenced by the constant barrage of news stories, each trying to out horrify the next? How many people overdosed trying to escape this?

I heard one analysis on Federal News Radio that put 70% of the excess deaths on COVID directly, but also referenced that almost all of the remaining deaths were from causes like I listed.

I'd like to see the data for that, as that number sounds pretty high.

I also read today that there is a link between Covid infection and depression and other mental issues

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56650125

so some of the suicides could be more linked to Covid than would immediately be apparent.

[Aqua Letifer]

@doctor-phibes said in What about the suicide rate?:

I also read today that there is a link between Covid infection and depression and other mental issues

Color me surprised.