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What about the suicide rate?

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  • brendaB Offline
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    Defying predictions, suicides dropped in 2020
    Widespread assertion that COVID-19 would cause rate to increase did not hold true
    Written By: Paul John Scott | 3:10 pm, Apr. 5, 2021

    ROCHESTER, Minn. — One of the persistent refrains of 2020, from both critics and supporters of COVID-19 shutdowns, has been the assertion that the risk of suicide shot up during lockdowns.

    Much of this line of thought began back in August, when the CDC reported the results of a 5,470-person survey it had taken in June. It reported 11% of those surveyed "having seriously considered suicide in the preceding 30 days."

    That was more than a doubling over answers to that question in 2018, when 4.3% of those surveyed reported suicidal ideation in the entire previous 12 months.

    For young adults surveyed in 2020, the degree of suicidal ideation sparked by COVID-19 was even higher. More than 25% percent of those between 18-25 stated last summer they had considered suicide in the previous 30 days.

    These findings were nested inside of a larger set of bad news about the ill-effects on mental well-being during COVID-19. More than 30% of those surveyed reported anxiety and depression during the pandemic, while about 13% reported having started or increased substance use as a result of the pandemic.

    In the wake of that news, critics of pandemic mitigation said suicides were rising in 2020, and lockdowns therefore should be lifted.

    “We need to get back to our way of life, because there are serious mental health issues," House GOP Whip Steve Scalise told Politico back in May. "You’re seeing suicides on the rise.”

    Last month, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem echoed this belief, writing that "because we balanced fighting the virus with maintaining social, economic, and mental health, South Dakota didn’t see an increase in suicide rates."

    Others also warned of "a wave" of rising suicides due to COVID-19, without any comment on the need to lift lockdowns, focusing instead on greater provision of mental health treatments.

    "Experts warned that the toxic mix of isolation and economic devastation could generate a wave of suicides," offered a Washington Post account of the problem last November. NPR reported a similar assumption, that "psychiatrists... say the pandemic has created a perfect storm of stressors for kids, increasing the risk of suicide for many."

    This drumbeat of predictions that suicide would soar during the pandemic were largely taken at face value, incorporated into a familiar pandemic narrative while waiting for hard numbers. This week, those numbers arrived.

    Everyone was wrong.

    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention researchers last week reported in the journal JAMA that there were 44,834 suicides recorded within the United States in 2020, a 5.6% drop from 2019. That is the lowest figure for suicides in the U.S. since 2015. It is more than 1,500 lower than 2019, more than 2,500 suicides lower than 2018.

    The drop didn't reflect a year, moreover, that was any safer when it came to other causes of death. To the contrary, suicides in 2020 went in the reverse direction. In 2020, deaths from stroke, Alzheimer's, diabetes, kidney disease and unintentional injuries all rose.

    "Increases in unintentional injury deaths in 2020," the authors wrote, "were largely driven by drug overdose deaths," suggesting the nation's costly opioid epidemic is far from over.

    Opioid deaths have been linked with a drop in life expectancy in the U.S. in recent years, and the authors affirmed that 2020 was a year in which life expectancy dropped.

    "Early estimates of life expectancy at birth," the authors added "based on provisional data for January to June 2020, show historic declines not seen since World War II (1942-1943)."

    The new CDC findings add to data showing "stable rates of suicide deaths during the stay-at-home advisory in Massachusetts," findings based on the first three months of the pandemic and also published last January in JAMA.

    That report conducted a highly conservative analysis in which deaths pending investigation were all classified as suicide, but the result remained the same, one of no increase in the suicide rate in 2020.

    Those authors speculated that COVID-19 made society experience less psychological isolation — that "social distancing–created stressors may have been offset by a sense of shared purpose in flattening the curve."

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    • CopperC Online
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      @brenda said in What about the suicide rate?:

      Defying predictions, suicides dropped in 2020

      Why did I have the impression that it wasn't a prediction, I thought it was happening? Was it up among students?

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      • CopperC Copper

        @brenda said in What about the suicide rate?:

        Defying predictions, suicides dropped in 2020

        Why did I have the impression that it wasn't a prediction, I thought it was happening? Was it up among students?

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        brenda
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        @copper The surveys of young people said they were despondent and thinking of suicide. Glad they didn't follow through.

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        • George KG Offline
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          I can't comment on the statistics, or their validity. I have no reason to doubt them.

          However D2 (doctor of clinical psychology) has definite seen an uptick spike in suicidal ideation in the last year.

          And a spike in domestic violence.

          And a spike in various people "in crisis". I have no idea what that means.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            I can't comment on the statistics, or their validity. I have no reason to doubt them.

            However D2 (doctor of clinical psychology) has definite seen an uptick spike in suicidal ideation in the last year.

            And a spike in domestic violence.

            And a spike in various people "in crisis". I have no idea what that means.

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            @george-k The increase in ideation follows the surveys. Glad the suicide numbers did not.

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              Yes, I have heard that domestic violence is up. Togetherness isn't always a good thing.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                I read that the overall death rate was up by 15.9% in 2020, which seems like a huge jump.

                I was only joking

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                • CopperC Online
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                  Stats published under Mr. Biden's administration, so believe it or else

                  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm#:~:text=In 2020%2C approximately 3%2C358%2C814 deaths,828.7 deaths per 100%2C000 population.

                  In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States. From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population. COVID-19 was reported as the underlying cause of death or a contributing cause of death for an estimated 377,883 (11.3%) of those deaths (91.5 deaths per 100,000).

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                    It seems to me that the total number of deaths is the best measurement of the real effects of Covid since it just looks at the deaths, and ignores the question of whether 'dying with Covid' is the same as 'dying from Covid', which a lot of covid-skeptics seem to get hung up on.

                    Obviously, it doesn't take into account the large number of people having non-fatal but serious health issues.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      It seems to me that the total number of deaths is the best measurement of the real effects of Covid since it just looks at the deaths, and ignores the question of whether 'dying with Covid' is the same as 'dying from Covid', which a lot of covid-skeptics seem to get hung up on.

                      Obviously, it doesn't take into account the large number of people having non-fatal but serious health issues.

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                      @doctor-phibes said in What about the suicide rate?:

                      It seems to me that the total number of deaths is the best measurement of the real effects of Covid since it just looks at the deaths, and ignores the question of whether 'dying with Covid' is the same as 'dying from Covid', which a lot of covid-skeptics seem to get hung up on.

                      Obviously, it doesn't take into account the large number of people having non-fatal but serious health issues.

                      I have to disagree... A lot of people have been killed by the stress of this thing, even without contracting it. How many people refused to seek treatment for what they thought was a relatively mild problem and were scared to go to the doctor? How many people had stress induced strokes or cardiac arrests that were heavily influenced by the constant barrage of news stories, each trying to out horrify the next? How many people overdosed trying to escape this?

                      I heard one analysis on Federal News Radio that put 70% of the excess deaths on COVID directly, but also referenced that almost all of the remaining deaths were from causes like I listed.

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @doctor-phibes said in What about the suicide rate?:

                        It seems to me that the total number of deaths is the best measurement of the real effects of Covid since it just looks at the deaths, and ignores the question of whether 'dying with Covid' is the same as 'dying from Covid', which a lot of covid-skeptics seem to get hung up on.

                        Obviously, it doesn't take into account the large number of people having non-fatal but serious health issues.

                        I have to disagree... A lot of people have been killed by the stress of this thing, even without contracting it. How many people refused to seek treatment for what they thought was a relatively mild problem and were scared to go to the doctor? How many people had stress induced strokes or cardiac arrests that were heavily influenced by the constant barrage of news stories, each trying to out horrify the next? How many people overdosed trying to escape this?

                        I heard one analysis on Federal News Radio that put 70% of the excess deaths on COVID directly, but also referenced that almost all of the remaining deaths were from causes like I listed.

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                        @lufins-dad said in What about the suicide rate?:

                        @doctor-phibes said in What about the suicide rate?:

                        It seems to me that the total number of deaths is the best measurement of the real effects of Covid since it just looks at the deaths, and ignores the question of whether 'dying with Covid' is the same as 'dying from Covid', which a lot of covid-skeptics seem to get hung up on.

                        Obviously, it doesn't take into account the large number of people having non-fatal but serious health issues.

                        I have to disagree... A lot of people have been killed by the stress of this thing, even without contracting it. How many people refused to seek treatment for what they thought was a relatively mild problem and were scared to go to the doctor? How many people had stress induced strokes or cardiac arrests that were heavily influenced by the constant barrage of news stories, each trying to out horrify the next? How many people overdosed trying to escape this?

                        I heard one analysis on Federal News Radio that put 70% of the excess deaths on COVID directly, but also referenced that almost all of the remaining deaths were from causes like I listed.

                        I'd like to see the data for that, as that number sounds pretty high.

                        I also read today that there is a link between Covid infection and depression and other mental issues

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56650125

                        so some of the suicides could be more linked to Covid than would immediately be apparent.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @lufins-dad said in What about the suicide rate?:

                          @doctor-phibes said in What about the suicide rate?:

                          It seems to me that the total number of deaths is the best measurement of the real effects of Covid since it just looks at the deaths, and ignores the question of whether 'dying with Covid' is the same as 'dying from Covid', which a lot of covid-skeptics seem to get hung up on.

                          Obviously, it doesn't take into account the large number of people having non-fatal but serious health issues.

                          I have to disagree... A lot of people have been killed by the stress of this thing, even without contracting it. How many people refused to seek treatment for what they thought was a relatively mild problem and were scared to go to the doctor? How many people had stress induced strokes or cardiac arrests that were heavily influenced by the constant barrage of news stories, each trying to out horrify the next? How many people overdosed trying to escape this?

                          I heard one analysis on Federal News Radio that put 70% of the excess deaths on COVID directly, but also referenced that almost all of the remaining deaths were from causes like I listed.

                          I'd like to see the data for that, as that number sounds pretty high.

                          I also read today that there is a link between Covid infection and depression and other mental issues

                          https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56650125

                          so some of the suicides could be more linked to Covid than would immediately be apparent.

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                          @doctor-phibes said in What about the suicide rate?:

                          I also read today that there is a link between Covid infection and depression and other mental issues

                          Color me surprised.

                          Please love yourself.

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