Vaccination etiquette question
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I have a basic understanding of people's autonomy. if I want to stay home, I stay home. I prefer to stay home most of the time. You can try to convince me that you care about COVID, and its effects, that is all well and good, but then you'll also have to convince me that it's important to see your high school classmates in person, within COVID transaction distance, and you're champing at the bit to do that as soon as your conscience allows.
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@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Nuanced. Not helpful at all, but nuanced.
Horace should have that on a t-shirt
I was only joking
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It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.
I have no time for that horseshit.
Now, you do have autonomy and I would even I count an anti vaxxer as a friend but really fvck off when you bring your ideology with you to an event you know will stir controversy.
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It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.
I have no time for that horseshit.
Now, you do have autonomy and I would even I count an anti vaxxer as a friend but really fvck off when you bring your ideology with you to an event you know will stir controversy.
@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.
I have no time for that horseshit.
It matters what you value. Do you value them?
Again, I don't know any anti-vaxxers, so many of you have me at a disadvantage. I suspect I will go to my grave never meeting one that I felt the loss of, if I had to exclude them.
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The establishment that hosts the gathering makes the rule.
If it’s going to take place at your house, your rule.
It it’s going to take place at a restaurant, follow the restaurant’s rules.@axtremus said in Vaccination etiquette question:
The establishment that hosts the gathering makes the rule.
If it’s going to take place at your house, your rule.
It it’s going to take place at a restaurant, follow the restaurant’s rules.Why would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision? I suppose if I wanted to avoid taking responsibility for the decision I could do that. But that's really not my way.
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@axtremus said in Vaccination etiquette question:
The establishment that hosts the gathering makes the rule.
If it’s going to take place at your house, your rule.
It it’s going to take place at a restaurant, follow the restaurant’s rules.Why would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision? I suppose if I wanted to avoid taking responsibility for the decision I could do that. But that's really not my way.
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Why in God's name would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision?
Because you make use of that party’s property, they get to make the rule. Your decision is whether you want to make use of that party’s property. If you want complete control, host it on your own property.
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@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.
I have no time for that horseshit.
It matters what you value. Do you value them?
Again, I don't know any anti-vaxxers, so many of you have me at a disadvantage. I suspect I will go to my grave never meeting one that I felt the loss of, if I had to exclude them.
@horace said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.
I have no time for that horseshit.
It matters what you value. Do you value them?
Again, I don't know any anti-vaxxers, so many of you have me at a disadvantage. I suspect I will go to my grave never meeting one that I felt the loss of, if I had to exclude them.
I respect people’s point of view. I expect them to respect mine. I know two kids that got Covid in the last week. So many hassles for the parents. It’s like a car accident even if they are asymptomatic
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@horace said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.
I have no time for that horseshit.
It matters what you value. Do you value them?
Again, I don't know any anti-vaxxers, so many of you have me at a disadvantage. I suspect I will go to my grave never meeting one that I felt the loss of, if I had to exclude them.
I respect people’s point of view. I expect them to respect mine. I know two kids that got Covid in the last week. So many hassles for the parents. It’s like a car accident even if they are asymptomatic
@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@horace said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.
I have no time for that horseshit.
It matters what you value. Do you value them?
Again, I don't know any anti-vaxxers, so many of you have me at a disadvantage. I suspect I will go to my grave never meeting one that I felt the loss of, if I had to exclude them.
I respect people’s point of view. I expect them to respect mine. I know two kids that got Covid in the last week. So many hassles for the parents. It’s like a car accident even if they are asymptomatic
They need to stay home.
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@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Nuanced. Not helpful at all, but nuanced.
Horace should have that on a t-shirt
@doctor-phibes said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Nuanced. Not helpful at all, but nuanced.
Horace should have that on a t-shirt
Hilarious!
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@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Why in God's name would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision?
Because you make use of that party’s property, they get to make the rule. Your decision is whether you want to make use of that party’s property. If you want complete control, host it on your own property.
@axtremus said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Why in God's name would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision?
Because you make use of that party’s property, they get to make the rule. Your decision is whether you want to make use of that party’s property. If you want complete control, host it on your own property.
Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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If it were me, I'd say yeah, require vaccinations. For a handful of reasons:
- It'd make it safer overall for everyone else who attends.
- It'd make it safer for the anti-vaxxers, too, even if they can't see it that way.
- You all are in a higher-risk category.
- Look, can we make a distinction here between respecting others' personal decisions, and acknowledging that those personal choices can also be insane? They're keeping themselves at higher risk. They're increasing risk for everyone around them. You're allowed to do and believe what you want up to the point of placing others' health at risk, and that's what they'd be doing. Therefore, you're within your rights to make a call.
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So our ukulele singing group is starting back up in person tonight, for those who are vaccinated, and that is a perfectly reasonable requirement at this moment in time. So offering to organize a get together, as long as those attend have been vaccinated is a valid request, Since we are still in the midst of a pandemic. You can reevaluate, and maybe have a regular reunion next year, when there is more information about all of this.
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You’re right in making it a group decision. And @jodi brought up an important point about this being an at this time decision.Things may look very different in just a few weeks.
I do wonder though about some people’s anger and fear though.
The Brad
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@axtremus said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Why in God's name would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision?
Because you make use of that party’s property, they get to make the rule. Your decision is whether you want to make use of that party’s property. If you want complete control, host it on your own property.
Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.
Competing t-shirts.
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@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.
Competing t-shirts.
@doctor-phibes said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.
Competing t-shirts.
We are missing a great opportunity.
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You’re right in making it a group decision. And @jodi brought up an important point about this being an at this time decision.Things may look very different in just a few weeks.
I do wonder though about some people’s anger and fear though.
@lufins-dad said in Vaccination etiquette question:
I do wonder though about some people’s anger and fear though.
There's plenty of anger and fear on both sides. If you read the kind of rubbish some (but not all) anti-vaccers come out with, and have been coming out with, it gets pretty scary.
First - the disease isn't all that serious. I know this guy who knows somebody who had it and he's actually healthier now. It's nothing. The nurses were all partying in the hospitals because they had nothing to do once they were locked down (I actually saw that claim about a year ago, with an accompanying video). More people are dying from the vaccination than from the disease.
I think getting angry with this kind of rubbish is a perfectly reasonable reaction.
