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Biden's American Jobs Plan

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    Where is the money coming from?

    Last time Joe was involved in construction, was for money for shovel-ready jobs...They never found very many shovels...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Where is the money coming from?

      Last time Joe was involved in construction, was for money for shovel-ready jobs...They never found very many shovels...

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      Axtremus
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      #3

      @jolly said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

      Where is the money coming from?

      Read the “THE MADE IN AMERICA TAX PLAN” section from page 22 to the end of the document.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        Well, he said the same crap in January, as he was shutting down Keystone. Green jobs! Better paying jobs!

        I defy you to show me one, count 'em one, new green job specifically created by Joe.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #5

          Link to video

          The Brad

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            @jolly said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

            Where is the money coming from?

            Read the “THE MADE IN AMERICA TAX PLAN” section from page 22 to the end of the document.

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            Loki
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            #6

            @axtremus said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

            @jolly said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

            Where is the money coming from?

            Read the “THE MADE IN AMERICA TAX PLAN” section from page 22 to the end of the document.

            Would the CBO score this? I see that the 2 trillion allegedly is paid for in 15 years, a CBO analysis used to be one way everyone judged these things.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #7

              From the RWEC:

              1. $10 Billion to Create a ‘Civilian Climate Corp’
              2. $20 Billion to ‘Advance Racial Equity and Environmental Justice’
              3. $175 Billion in Subsidies for Electric Vehicles
              4. $213 Billion to Build/Retrofit 2 Million Houses & Buildings
              5. $100 Billion for New Public Schools and Making School Lunches ‘Greener’
              6. $12 Billion for Community Colleges
              7. Billions to Eliminate ‘Racial and Gender Inequities’ in STEM
              8. $100 Billion to Expand Broadband Internet
              9. $25 Billion for Government Childcare Programs

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                I like #8.

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                • 89th8 89th

                  I like #8.

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                  George K
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                  @89th said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                  I like #8.

                  Presumably that has to do with rural access. Elon Musk is already well on the way to take care of that, you know.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
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                    #10

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/03/31/deficit-cost-infrastructure-biden/

                    Many economic experts agree that significant investments in roads, bridges and other infrastructure is necessary for the country’s long-term health, and spending when interest rates are this low is a wise idea. But some were surprised to see that only about 5 percent of the bill is directed toward roads and bridges, and they question why the administration is mixing other types of policies into a bill designed to upgrade the nation’s infrastructure.

                    This is "infrastructure?"

                    [N]early 20 percent of the bill goes toward expanding caregiving for the elderly and disabled by building more care centers and expanding access to home-based care, and another 13 percent goes toward boosting the U.S. manufacturing sector with large investments in semiconductors and green energy. Those investments aren’t typically seen as traditional infrastructure.

                    Paying for it (mind you this is the Washington Post.

                    [The White House has] said corporate tax changes would “more than pay for the mostly one-time investments in the America Jobs Plan.”

                    But there’s a catch: The $2.3 trillion in spending would take place over the next eight years. It would take until 2036 — 15 years — for President Biden’s proposed corporate tax hikes to generate that much revenue. . . .

                    “Paying for eight years of spending with 15 years of taxes is a classic Washington gimmick that always ends up proving to not work,” said Brian Riedl, a top budget adviser to the GOP presidential campaigns of Sens. Mitt Romney (Utah) and Marco Rubio (Fla.). “By that logic, you can make the same argument that the 2017 GOP tax cuts are paid for.”

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Loki
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                      I’m not sure what to call the bill... it should be broken into components. Part of it is clearly social infrastructure.

                      It’s like an all of the above for the democrat platform.

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                      • George KG George K

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/03/31/deficit-cost-infrastructure-biden/

                        Many economic experts agree that significant investments in roads, bridges and other infrastructure is necessary for the country’s long-term health, and spending when interest rates are this low is a wise idea. But some were surprised to see that only about 5 percent of the bill is directed toward roads and bridges, and they question why the administration is mixing other types of policies into a bill designed to upgrade the nation’s infrastructure.

                        This is "infrastructure?"

                        [N]early 20 percent of the bill goes toward expanding caregiving for the elderly and disabled by building more care centers and expanding access to home-based care, and another 13 percent goes toward boosting the U.S. manufacturing sector with large investments in semiconductors and green energy. Those investments aren’t typically seen as traditional infrastructure.

                        Paying for it (mind you this is the Washington Post.

                        [The White House has] said corporate tax changes would “more than pay for the mostly one-time investments in the America Jobs Plan.”

                        But there’s a catch: The $2.3 trillion in spending would take place over the next eight years. It would take until 2036 — 15 years — for President Biden’s proposed corporate tax hikes to generate that much revenue. . . .

                        “Paying for eight years of spending with 15 years of taxes is a classic Washington gimmick that always ends up proving to not work,” said Brian Riedl, a top budget adviser to the GOP presidential campaigns of Sens. Mitt Romney (Utah) and Marco Rubio (Fla.). “By that logic, you can make the same argument that the 2017 GOP tax cuts are paid for.”

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                        Axtremus
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                        @george-k said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                        [N]early 20 percent of the bill goes toward expanding caregiving for the elderly and disabled by building more care centers and expanding access to home-based care, and another 13 percent goes toward boosting the U.S. manufacturing sector with large investments in semiconductors and green energy. Those investments aren’t typically seen as traditional infrastructure.

                        The title says it's a "Jobs" plan, not merely an "infrastructure" plan, yet the article's author is stuck not only on "infrastructure" but "traditional infrastructure." Traditionally rechargeable battery is usually not considered "infrastructure," but going into an era of electric vehicles needing a network of electrical recharging stations and an era of renewable energy sources, "semiconductor" and "green energy" become more integral to "infrastructure."

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                        • L Offline
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                          Loki
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                          Here come the price hikes.... imagine what the Corp tax increases will do, but I suspect these announcements are starting to bake that in.
                          https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/higher-commodity-costs-lead-to-price-hikes-from-kimberly-clark.html

                          We will see about public support for all the social re-engineering.

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                          • LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
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                            With 680,000 unemployed, why do we need MILLIONS of new jobs!?

                            The Brad

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                              Mas trabajos, por favor!

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                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                With 680,000 unemployed, why do we need MILLIONS of new jobs!?

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                                Axtremus
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                                @lufins-dad said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                With 680,000 unemployed, why do we need MILLIONS of new jobs!?

                                To also improve the under-employment situation, perhaps.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @lufins-dad said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                  With 680,000 unemployed, why do we need MILLIONS of new jobs!?

                                  To also improve the under-employment situation, perhaps.

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #17

                                  @axtremus said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                  @lufins-dad said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                  With 680,000 unemployed, why do we need MILLIONS of new jobs!?

                                  To also improve the under-employment situation, perhaps.

                                  How?

                                  People mostly are worth what you pay them.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    Very typical. Politicians always have these ambitious plans that use "optomistic" or "unrealistic" methods to pay for them.

                                    "Oh, we expect growing of the economy to be 6% for the next 10 years"

                                    "But the economy has not ever grow 6% for the past 100 years"

                                    "Well, we are pretty sure it will start"

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @axtremus said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                      @lufins-dad said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                      With 680,000 unemployed, why do we need MILLIONS of new jobs!?

                                      To also improve the under-employment situation, perhaps.

                                      How?

                                      People mostly are worth what you pay them.

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                                      Mik
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                                      #19

                                      @jolly said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                      @axtremus said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                      @lufins-dad said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                      With 680,000 unemployed, why do we need MILLIONS of new jobs!?

                                      To also improve the under-employment situation, perhaps.

                                      How?

                                      People mostly are worth what you pay them.

                                      The market kind of irons that out. It's up to individuals to make themselves worth more. It's not that difficult.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        The fault does not lie with the politicians and their unrealistic ideas. It lies with the system where there are two opposing platforms designed to appeal to a majority of the national electorate. Two low common denominators vying for supremacy. Don’t look for nuanced brilliance there.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          With 680,000 unemployed, why do we need MILLIONS of new jobs!?

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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          @lufins-dad said in Biden's American Jobs Plan:

                                          With 680,000 unemployed, why do we need MILLIONS of new jobs!?

                                          That answers why they need to improve the teaching of STEM.

                                          I was only joking

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