We are for human rights again!

[taiwan_girl]

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

I am pretty sure you are correct. But the Taiwan submarines will also be used in the South China Sea and also to prevent any possible blockade of Taiwan.

Of course hope it doesn't come to that. Not sure what the Biden administration would do. And, not sure our military could keep it from happening.
TG, do you think the CCP will attempt to take over Taiwan as they did Hong Kong? You have probably been asked that question, sorry if it is a repeat.

I would love to visit Taiwan. I've seen so many pictures, it's beautiful.

I am less confident than I was a while before unfortunately. I do think that they will continue to apply pressure. So far, the US is saying the right things (at least from the Taiwan perspective).

I believe that China will have pretty big internal problems in the next 50 years or so. The time of driving the economy through cheap factories, etc. is coming to a close.

Cheap labour is moving elsewhere, but at the same time, the "demographic" of China is in bad shape - growing much older much quicker than other countries have seen, and I dont think that they are prepared for that.

The best way of distracting unrest from within, is to focus on external things - the West, HK, Taiwan, etc. Blaming the outside is a good way to minimize unrest on the inside. Already in China, they are printing up T-shirts, etc with comments that the ChinA foreign minister made in Alaska - for example, "do not interfere in internal China affairs"

China has to be very careful, as I believe that they have lost some popularity world wide, but more specific in SE Asia. For example, I saw a memo from MOFA directed to Taiwanese factories in Myanmar to emphasize to them to emphasize that they are from Taiwan, and not China. There is a lot of anger in Myanmar towards mainland china right now. In Thailand, the Chinese vaccine has been bought, but alot of reluctance from people to take it.

Anyway, Taiwan is a pretty country. A lot of people just think that it is all factories and industry. LOL But the eastern 2/3 of the country is very mountainous and natural. Hope you can come visit sometime.

[Rainman]

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

There is a lot of anger in Myanmar towards mainland china right now.

Thanks TG, always enjoy reading your input.

Have you ever been to Burma aka Myanmar? From what I have learned, it's a basket case

[Jolly]

I think the question of China swallowing Taiwan is not if, but when?

[taiwan_girl]

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

There is a lot of anger in Myanmar towards mainland china right now.

Thanks TG, always enjoy reading your input.

Have you ever been to Burma aka Myanmar? From what I have learned, it's a basket case

Unfortunately no. I had a chance a year or so ago. We were working on a project that would help Yangoon, but it never got past discussion so I did not get to go. I agree, it is in deep problems for sure.

[taiwan_girl]

@jolly said in We are for human rights again!:

I think the question of China swallowing Taiwan is not if, but when?

Shhh! I am going to close my ears!!!

(But unfortunately, you may be right. Obviously, Taiwan cannot handle China by ourselfs. It would depend on the response of the rest of the world. Right now, the cost for China to try and take Taiwan is too high. I ultimately think that the cost would have to be on the economic side. Make China realize that if they did try and take Taiwan, really high sanctions, businesses pulling out, etc. would be the result.

I believe (maybe just hoping) that China needs the world export market more than the world market needs the labour/manufacturing that China provides right now.)

[Rainman]

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

It would depend on the response of the rest of the world.

Yes, same thing with the Baltic States and reliance on NATO.

The thing is, it's not the Chinese people. We keep referring to China, but the devil is the CCP. They are communist and should be treated as such, the people have no choice. Nice parades, though.

[Horace]

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

It would depend on the response of the rest of the world.

Yes, same thing with the Baltic States and reliance on NATO.

The thing is, it's not the Chinese people. We keep referring to China, but the devil is the CCP. They are communist and should be treated as such, the people have no choice. Nice parades, though.

Do the people want a choice? China does not appear to me to be a culture highly dissatisfied with its government.

[Aqua Letifer]

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

The thing is, it's not the Chinese people. We keep referring to China, but the devil is the CCP. They are communist and should be treated as such, the people have no choice.

Yeah, and I think that's a pretty good moron litmus test. Those who don't know that aren't really worth speaking with.

[Axtremus]

China announces sanctions on individuals, entities in U.S., Canada
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-canada/china-announces-sanctions-on-individuals-entities-in-u-s-canada-idUSKBN2BJ0DW

... in response to sanctions imposed on Chinese citizens and groups over Xinjiang.
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China would impose sanctions on the chair of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) Gayle Manchin and the vice chair of the USCIRF Tony Perkins, the Chinese foreign ministry said in a statement.
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China has also sanctioned Canadian member of parliament Michael Chong and the Subcommittee on International Human Rights of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development of the House of Commons of Canada, ...

[Axtremus]

Curious to see China’s reactions and countermeasures.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-retail/chinese-apps-join-celebs-in-backlash-against-western-fashion-brands-over-xinjiang-idUSKBN2BI1DI

China’s top ride-hailing app dropped Swedish fashion retailer H&M from its listings as Chinese celebrities stopped endorsing foreign labels in a growing uproar over Western accusations of forced labour in Xinjiang.
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[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in We are for human rights again!:

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

The thing is, it's not the Chinese people. We keep referring to China, but the devil is the CCP. They are communist and should be treated as such, the people have no choice.

Yeah, and I think that's a pretty good moron litmus test. Those who don't know that aren't really worth speaking with.

Lot of economically satisfied morons, then...

[taiwan_girl]

Yup, the Chinese economy has grown a super lot consistently over the past 20 years or so.

But it has moved to the point that it needs the "external" or export economy to keep that growth. So, it needs to be shown that any bad moves made by mainland china will have significant economic impact to it.