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  • CopperC Offline
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    Make sure you time it just right.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Copper
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      (That's a joke)

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        To be clear - I’m not a timer. I push it almost completely to index funds.

        I don’t to get into the habit regularly of checking in on long term savings.

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          It always goes up if you wait long enough.

          As the actress said to the Bishop.

          I was only joking

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          • X xenon

            @89th said in Investing:

            Agreed...plenty of articles out there pointing to the warning signs of it being a bubble, too. I have some assets I'm ready to invest but am just holding to the side for now.

            I just don’t know how long this will last.

            I’ve been watching Vancouver real estate as an example, just out of interest. I thought it was a monstrous bubble in 2016 - and it is out of whack with historical metrics. but here we are 2021, even with the stress of a pandemic and high unemployment (in Canada) it’s up, up, up.

            The danger is sitting on the sideline and waiting for something to happen that never does.

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            @xenon Yeah real estate is really ridiculous right now. In the northern virginia area, all last summer and fall...almost every home for sale had 10+ offers, and usually the winning bid was above ask, and waived inspections and appraisals. That is BANANAS. Apparently it's the same right now, too... Prices are just going up up up up up.

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            • 89th8 89th

              @xenon Yeah real estate is really ridiculous right now. In the northern virginia area, all last summer and fall...almost every home for sale had 10+ offers, and usually the winning bid was above ask, and waived inspections and appraisals. That is BANANAS. Apparently it's the same right now, too... Prices are just going up up up up up.

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              @89th said in Investing:

              In the northern virginia area, all last summer and fall...almost every home for sale had 10+ offers, and usually the winning bid was above ask, and waived inspections and appraisals.

              Yes, that started just after I sold my NOVA house.

              You're welcome.

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                Buy solid stocks and hold them.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  Buy solid stocks and hold them.

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                  I was considering buying some Hilton... There is going to be a travel boom in 6 months....

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    I was considering buying some Hilton... There is going to be a travel boom in 6 months....

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                    @lufins-dad I think that might've been priced into the April 2020 + recovery already? I have been buying into various airlines a little here and there. Delta, AA, United, Southwest... they have to recover eventually and the risk of bankruptcy is low since I think we see an end to this pandemic on the horizon.

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                      Not sure I’d make that bet on the airlines. Hard to tell how much damage has been done and what reorganizations and bankruptcies are coming.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Not sure I’d make that bet on the airlines. Hard to tell how much damage has been done and what reorganizations and bankruptcies are coming.

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                        I share you concerns regarding the airline stocks, @mik.
                        I suppose, just as a matter of age, @89th can afford to take more risk that you or I can.

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                          Yeah I'm talking less than 1% of my portfolio...if I didn't see any bankruptcy risk, I would dump a ton in airlines. Almost a guarantee in 5 years they'll be up 50-100%.

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                            Know what has beat the stock market over the last century or so? Good farmland.

                            Problem is, hard to invest in, at least as I'd like to do it.

                            So, my advice...Diversify, diversify, diversify. Pick some good stocks to hold. Pick a few funds for speculation, in sectors you know a little about. Invest in a bit if real estate. If you're handy, maybe buy a fixer-upper, live in it and eventually flip it when done remodeling (just dont sink money in it you can't recover).

                            The best investment may be a side business or a side job. NEVER spend that money on regular expenses, but use that money for 529 funds, additional mortgage money, etc.

                            Lastly, control debt. Everybody has to stick their necks out sometime, but the more you stick it out, the easier it is to lose your head. I was debt-free, mortgage and all, by 52. And that's with two kids in college. When you're debt free, you have a lot more financial options.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Good advice @Jolly . Would love to get into land investing at some point. Seems to be the one asset that almost (ALMOST) always goes up and up, because it's inherently a limited supply and an every-increasing demand.

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                              • 89th8 89th

                                Good advice @Jolly . Would love to get into land investing at some point. Seems to be the one asset that almost (ALMOST) always goes up and up, because it's inherently a limited supply and an every-increasing demand.

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                                @89th said in Investing:

                                Good advice @Jolly . Would love to get into land investing at some point. Seems to be the one asset that almost (ALMOST) always goes up and up, because it's inherently a limited supply and an every-increasing demand.

                                Actually, I read an article recently that suggests that land has underperformed the stock market over 100 years.

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  @89th said in Investing:

                                  Good advice @Jolly . Would love to get into land investing at some point. Seems to be the one asset that almost (ALMOST) always goes up and up, because it's inherently a limited supply and an every-increasing demand.

                                  Actually, I read an article recently that suggests that land has underperformed the stock market over 100 years.

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                                  @lufins-dad said in Investing:

                                  @89th said in Investing:

                                  Good advice @Jolly . Would love to get into land investing at some point. Seems to be the one asset that almost (ALMOST) always goes up and up, because it's inherently a limited supply and an every-increasing demand.

                                  Actually, I read an article recently that suggests that land has underperformed the stock market over 100 years.

                                  Some land has.

                                  Location, location, etc.

                                  But good farmland has consistently done well.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • 89th8 89th

                                    Yeah I'm talking less than 1% of my portfolio...if I didn't see any bankruptcy risk, I would dump a ton in airlines. Almost a guarantee in 5 years they'll be up 50-100%.

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                                    @89th said in Investing:

                                    Yeah I'm talking less than 1% of my portfolio...if I didn't see any bankruptcy risk, I would dump a ton in airlines. Almost a guarantee in 5 years they'll be up 50-100%.

                                    Be careful

                                    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/green-new-deal-ocasio-cortez-aims-to-make-air-travel-obsolete-aid-those-unwilling-to-work

                                    Green New Deal: Ocasio-Cortez aims to make air travel obsolete, aid those ‘unwilling’ to work

                                    In what may be the most far-reaching proposal to ever be considered in Congress, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., unveiled her "Green New Deal" on Thursday -- a government-led overhaul of virtually every aspect of American life that would guarantee a host of taxpayer-covered benefits for all and phase out fossil fuels.

                                    Along the way, her office says the plan would aim to make air travel obsolete, upgrade or replace every building in America to ensure energy efficiency and give economic security even to those "unwilling" to work.

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      I was considering buying some Hilton... There is going to be a travel boom in 6 months....

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                                      @lufins-dad said in Investing:

                                      I was considering buying some Hilton... There is going to be a travel boom in 6 months....

                                      Not really an investment, but the Grand Hilton in Bangkok is offering a deal.

                                      For 1 MM baht (about USD$30,000), you get one year of a Executive Club room at the hotel and 200,000 baht (USD$6.5 K) in hotel credit.

                                      About USD$80/night.

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        @lufins-dad said in Investing:

                                        I was considering buying some Hilton... There is going to be a travel boom in 6 months....

                                        Not really an investment, but the Grand Hilton in Bangkok is offering a deal.

                                        For 1 MM baht (about USD$30,000), you get one year of a Executive Club room at the hotel and 200,000 baht (USD$6.5 K) in hotel credit.

                                        About USD$80/night.

                                        alt text

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                                        @taiwan_girl said in Investing:

                                        For 1 MM baht (about USD$30,000), you get one year of a Executive Club room at the hotel and 200,000 baht (USD$6.5 K) in hotel credit.

                                        Did not find it for "Grand Hilton", but found it for Hyatt Regency in Bangkok. Very nice, includes everyday breakfast and all-day snacks, laundry and dry-cleaning, parking for a car, standard housekeeping, not need to pay for utilities or Internet access separately, etc. It's like you're pampered for one whole year for a fixed price. Now if they can also throw in daily access to a nicely maintained grand piano ....

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