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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #21

    It is a prediction, however, we're unlikely to agree on what constitutes a 'disaster'.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • HoraceH Offline
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      #22

      Agreement or not, I would be curious what your measurable predictions are.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        Agreement or not, I would be curious what your measurable predictions are.

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        @Horace said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:

        Agreement or not, I would be curious what your measurable predictions are.

        I made several here that I stand by to this day.

        https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/239/in-which-jon-nyc-stakes-out-an-unconventional-opinion-on-the-covid-19-outbreak?_=1588034375101

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          #24

          So specific measurable predictions from that thread two+ weeks ago:

          • active cases won't peak in April, despite models
          • Effective reproductive rate stays above one
          • People will think it's beat and relax and it'll go even higher
          • when we look back at the end of the year, April will not be the month with the most cases or the most deaths.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Thanks jon.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Somebody somewhere said we're at the point where we've been taking antibiotics for 5 days, despite being told to take them for 10, and we're feeling much better, and we really want a few beers, so we say sod it.

              And then the bloody infection comes back again.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                Somebody somewhere said we're at the point where we've been taking antibiotics for 5 days, despite being told to take them for 10, and we're feeling much better, and we really want a few beers, so we say sod it.

                And then the bloody infection comes back again.

                AxtremusA Offline
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                @Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:

                Somebody somewhere said we're at the point where we've been taking antibiotics for 5 days, despite being told to take them for 10, and we're feeling much better, and we really want a few beers, so we say sod it.

                And then the bloody infection comes back again.

                Alcohol kills bacteria. Have you thought of injecting it to finish the job for the antibiotics?

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:

                  Somebody somewhere said we're at the point where we've been taking antibiotics for 5 days, despite being told to take them for 10, and we're feeling much better, and we really want a few beers, so we say sod it.

                  And then the bloody infection comes back again.

                  Alcohol kills bacteria. Have you thought of injecting it to finish the job for the antibiotics?

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                  @Axtremus said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:

                  Alcohol kills bacteria. Have you thought of injecting it to finish the job for the antibiotics?

                  Working on it now, but via the oral route.

                  (George, who has seen IV EtOH given to suppress early labor)

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    Somebody somewhere said we're at the point where we've been taking antibiotics for 5 days, despite being told to take them for 10, and we're feeling much better, and we really want a few beers, so we say sod it.

                    And then the bloody infection comes back again.

                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                    #29

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:

                    Somebody somewhere said we're at the point where we've been taking antibiotics for 5 days, despite being told to take them for 10, and we're feeling much better, and we really want a few beers, so we say sod it.

                    And then the bloody infection comes back again.

                    Great analogy since common wisdom knows that consuming alcohol effectively negates antibiotics...

                    Of course, alcohol doesn’t negate antibiotics, and only a few antibiotics carry warnings regarding alcohol, but for potential side effects, not because they stop the antibiotics from working...

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:

                      Somebody somewhere said we're at the point where we've been taking antibiotics for 5 days, despite being told to take them for 10, and we're feeling much better, and we really want a few beers, so we say sod it.

                      And then the bloody infection comes back again.

                      Great analogy since common wisdom knows that consuming alcohol effectively negates antibiotics...

                      Of course, alcohol doesn’t negate antibiotics, and only a few antibiotics carry warnings regarding alcohol, but for potential side effects, not because they stop the antibiotics from working...

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                      @LuFins-Dad The “common wisdom” is that you don’t stop antibiotics mid-course unless you develop an allergic response or the doctor stops the antibiotics for you. Phibes’ analogy has other problems for sure, but the “beer” in Phibes’ analogy is incidental. The key point in Phibes’ analogy is stopping antibiotics 5 days into a 10 day course.

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                        This is great - first LD goes full-on Ax, then Ax pulls him up on it 😆

                        I was only joking

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                          Well, to be fair, it is very important to understand that a patient who has been prescribed antibiotics is not to stop taking it on his own unless he develops allergic reaction and/or gets instructions from his physician to stop taking the antibiotics. This is important not only for the patient's own health, but also important in the fight to keep existing antibiotics viable longer.

                          It is important for the patient's own health because stopping antibiotics too early gives the bacteria a chance to grow again and make the patient sick again. It is important for the rest of the world because the bacteria that are not completely killed off by the antibiotics may mutate as they grow and many develop resistance to that antibiotics, thus making the antibiotic ineffective going forward. If the mutated, now resistant bacteria get passed on to another patient, that other patient would also no longer be able to use the same antibiotics to fight the bacteria. So this has consequences beyond the first patient who stopped taking antibiotics prematurely.

                          For those two reasons, it's worth the time to type that all that out and risk being ridiculed for being a pedant.

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                            I'm afraid that train has left the station. 😆

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              I was going to make a comment about that 'whooshing noise high above you' being the point being missed, but I was worried somebody would note that points don't actually make a whooshing noise since they are merely representations of a concept, and I was concerned that in this time of heightened emotions I might then tell them to fuck off.

                              I was only joking

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