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The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.

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    Irish Times | April 25, 2020 | By Fintan O’Toole:

    THE WORLD HAS LOVED, HATED AND ENVIED THE U.S.

    NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE PITY IT

    Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger. But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.

    However bad things are for most other rich democracies, it is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. Yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist who, instead of protecting his people from Covid-19, has amplified its lethality. The country Trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful.
    Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the coronavirus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicentre of the pandemic.

    As the American writer George Packer puts it in the current edition of the Atlantic, “The United States reacted ... like Pakistan or Belarus – like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.”

    It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a natural disaster, quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time – wilfully, malevolently, vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail (as, in one degree or another, most governments did), quite another to watch a ruler and his supporters actively spread a deadly virus. Trump, his party and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News became vectors of the pestilence.
    The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people (some of them armed) to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives is the manifestation of a political death wish. What are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis, demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge, have been used by Trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror show in which all the neuroses that haunt the American subconscious dance naked on live TV.
    If the plague is a test, its ruling political nexus ensured that the US would fail it at a terrible cost in human lives. In the process, the idea of the US as the world’s leading nation – an idea that has shaped the past century – has all but evaporated.

    Other than the Trump impersonator Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, who is now looking to the US as the exemplar of anything other than what not to do? How many people in Düsseldorf or Dublin are wishing they lived in Detroit or Dallas?

    It is hard to remember now but, even in 2017, when Trump took office, the conventional wisdom in the US was that the Republican Party and the broader framework of US political institutions would prevent him from doing too much damage. This was always a delusion, but the pandemic has exposed it in the most savage ways.

    Abject surrender

    What used to be called mainstream conservatism has not absorbed Trump – he has absorbed it. Almost the entire right-wing half of American politics has surrendered abjectly to him. It has sacrificed on the altar of wanton stupidity the most basic ideas of responsibility, care and even safety.

    Thus, even at the very end of March, 15 Republican governors had failed to order people to stay at home or to close non-essential businesses. In Alabama, for example, it was not until April 3rd that governor Kay Ivey finally issued a stay-at-home order.

    In Florida, the state with the highest concentration of elderly people with underlying conditions, governor Ron DeSantis, a Trump mini-me, kept the beach resorts open to students travelling from all over the US for spring break parties. Even on April 1st, when he issued restrictions, DeSantis exempted religious services and “recreational activities”.

    Georgia governor Brian Kemp, when he finally issued a stay-at-home order on April 1st, explained: “We didn’t know that [the virus can be spread by people without symptoms] until the last 24 hours.”

    This is not mere ignorance – it is deliberate and homicidal stupidity. There is, as the demonstrations this week in US cities have shown, plenty of political mileage in denying the reality of the pandemic. It is fuelled by Fox News and far-right internet sites, and it reaps for these politicians millions of dollars in donations, mostly (in an ugly irony) from older people who are most vulnerable to the coronavirus.

    It draws on a concoction of conspiracy theories, hatred of science, paranoia about the “deep state” and religious providentialism (God will protect the good folks) that is now very deeply infused in the mindset of the American right.
    Trump embodies and enacts this mindset, but he did not invent it. The US response to the coronavirus crisis has been paralysed by a contradiction that the Republicans have inserted into the heart of US democracy. On the one hand, they want to control all the levers of governmental power. On the other they have created a popular base by playing on the notion that government is innately evil and must not be trusted.

    The contradiction was made manifest in two of Trump’s statements on the pandemic: on the one hand that he has “total authority”, and on the other that “I don’t take responsibility at all”. Caught between authoritarian and anarchic impulses, he is incapable of coherence.

    Fertile ground

    But this is not just Donald Trump. The crisis has shown definitively that Trump’s presidency is not an aberration. It has grown on soil long prepared to receive it. The monstrous blossoming of misrule has structure and purpose and strategy behind it.

    There are very powerful interests who demand “freedom” in order to do as they like with the environment, society and the economy. They have infused a very large part of American culture with the belief that “freedom” is literally more important than life. My freedom to own assault weapons trumps your right not to get shot at school. Now, my freedom to go to the barber (“I Need a Haircut” read one banner this week in St Paul, Minnesota) trumps your need to avoid infection.

    Usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself, there is the comforting thought that, if things were really serious, it would all stop. People would sober up. Instead, a large part of the US has hit the bottle even harder.

    And the president, his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks. There has been no moment of truth, no shock of realisation that the antics have to end. No one of any substance on the US right has stepped in to say: get a grip, people are dying here.

    That is the mark of how deep the trouble is for the US – it is not just that Trump has treated the crisis merely as a way to feed tribal hatreds but that this behaviour has become normalised. When the freak show is live on TV every evening, and the star is boasting about his ratings, it is not really a freak show any more. For a very large and solid bloc of Americans, it is reality.
    And this will get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months in power. In his inaugural address in 2017, he evoked “American carnage” and promised to make it stop. But now that the real carnage has arrived, he is revelling in it. He is in his element.

    As things get worse, he will pump more hatred and falsehood, more death-wish defiance of reason and decency, into the groundwater. If a new administration succeeds him in 2021, it will have to clean up the toxic dump he leaves behind. If he is re-elected, toxicity will have become the lifeblood of American politics.

    Either way, it will be a long time before the rest of the world can imagine America being great again.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Copper
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      America is just fine.

      Let the envy continue.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
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        Sock, you just cannot resist coming by to drop a turd in the punchbowl, can you?

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Sock, you just cannot resist coming by to drop a turd in the punchbowl, can you?

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          @Mik said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

          Sock, you just cannot resist coming by to drop a turd in the punchbowl, can you?

          If the truth is a turd, give me a bowl of shit please. 🙂

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          • CopperC Copper

            America is just fine.

            Let the envy continue.

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            @Copper said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

            America is just fine.

            Let the envy continue.

            Tell that to 56,308 dead Americans, 56,309, 56,310,,,,,,,,,, 😞

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
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              It's odd, but you have much more to share on FB. Here you just come in times of personal crisis or to drop some TDS on us. Why is that?

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Sock is full of hate. But so are all leftwing nutjobs. He hates America.

                Fuck him.

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                • ? A Former User

                  @Copper said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                  America is just fine.

                  Let the envy continue.

                  Tell that to 56,308 dead Americans, 56,309, 56,310,,,,,,,,,, 😞

                  CopperC Offline
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                  @nobodyssock said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                  @Copper said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                  America is just fine.

                  Let the envy continue.

                  Tell that to 56,308 dead Americans, 56,309, 56,310,,,,,,,,,, 😞

                  You can't tell that to dead people.

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    Wow, tough crowd. All he did was link to an Irish newspaper article.

                    I've seen plenty of stupid articles linked to by other posters here, and nobody says a bloody thing.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      Wow, tough crowd. All he did was link to an Irish newspaper article.

                      I've seen plenty of stupid articles linked to by other posters here, and nobody says a bloody thing.

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                      George K
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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                      Wow, tough crowd. All he did was link to an Irish newspaper article.

                      No link in the original post.

                      :man-shrugging:

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
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                        Like Phibes said in another thread...tough room!

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Somehow I get the distinct impression the drama critic doesn’t enjoy the play.

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                          • ? A Former User

                            @Copper said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                            America is just fine.

                            Let the envy continue.

                            Tell that to 56,308 dead Americans, 56,309, 56,310,,,,,,,,,, 😞

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                            @nobodyssock said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                            @Copper said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                            America is just fine.

                            Let the envy continue.

                            Tell that to 56,308 dead Americans, 56,309, 56,310,,,,,,,,,, 😞

                            71EC350E-FF97-4DD0-BCE9-65CEA8667F84.jpeg

                            Per Capita, the only real comparison metric, Ireland sucks as much as the USA, and we aren’t even close to countries like Spain and Italy. I selected these countries to view, I’m sure there are many more worse than the USA when viewed per capita.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                              Wow, tough crowd. All he did was link to an Irish newspaper article.

                              No link in the original post.

                              :man-shrugging:

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                              @George-K said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                              Wow, tough crowd. All he did was link to an Irish newspaper article.

                              No link in the original post.

                              :man-shrugging:

                              It was sent to me via text, I tried to pull it off net, but Irish Times won't let you view it without buying a subscription first.

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                                LuFins Dad
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                                As 89th pointed out, why would Ireland pity us? They are actually in a little worse shape, and Europe as a whole is far worse, both per capita and actual numbers...

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  As 89th pointed out, why would Ireland pity us? They are actually in a little worse shape, and Europe as a whole is far worse, both per capita and actual numbers...

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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in The World has Loved, Hated, and Envied the U.S.:

                                  As 89th pointed out, why would Ireland pity us? They are actually in a little worse shape, and Europe as a whole is far worse, both per capita and actual numbers...

                                  https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    George K
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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Tell that to the Failing Irish Times!

                                      I was only joking

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                                        O'Fake News, me boy!

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          My Irish family love Donald Trump. They think he's an enormous craic.

                                          I was only joking

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