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    George K
    wrote on 7 Feb 2021, 13:29 last edited by
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    WHO changes definition of Herd Immunity.JPG

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      7 Feb 2021, 13:29

      WHO changes definition of Herd Immunity.JPG

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 7 Feb 2021, 13:32 last edited by
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      @george-k Got the text or a higher resolution picture for this? The low res screenshot posted is hard to read. :man-shrugging:

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        7 Feb 2021, 13:32

        @george-k Got the text or a higher resolution picture for this? The low res screenshot posted is hard to read. :man-shrugging:

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        George K
        wrote on 7 Feb 2021, 13:32 last edited by
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        @axtremus

        June 9, 2020: Herd Immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.

        November 13, 2020: Herd Immunity is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached. Herd Immunity is reached by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Axtremus
          wrote on 7 Feb 2021, 13:40 last edited by Axtremus 2 Jul 2021, 13:40
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          Thanks, @George-K. It seems to me both versions have a social message to them, and people can argue which social message they prefer or believe is “more responsible.” If I want a strictly scientific or functional definition, I would define it just by its effect rather than by the methods used to get there.

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            7 Feb 2021, 13:40

            Thanks, @George-K. It seems to me both versions have a social message to them, and people can argue which social message they prefer or believe is “more responsible.” If I want a strictly scientific or functional definition, I would define it just by its effect rather than by the methods used to get there.

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            George K
            wrote on 7 Feb 2021, 13:43 last edited by
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            @axtremus

            (Wikipedia):

            Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, or population immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that can occur with some diseases when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity.[1][2][3] Immune individuals are unlikely to contribute to disease transmission, disrupting chains of infection, which stops or slows the spread of disease.[4] The greater the proportion of immune individuals in a community, the smaller the probability that non-immune individuals will come into contact with an infectious individual.[

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 7 Feb 2021, 13:56 last edited by jon-nyc 2 Jul 2021, 13:57
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              That’s just stupid.

              As it is, Herd immunity was already misused all year by the ‘hold my beer’ crowd.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 7 Feb 2021, 13:57 last edited by
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                I will see if I can find it, but there was an interesting article last year in the National Geographic magazine talking about how heard immunity without a major vaccine effort did not work. Almost impossible to get there

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 7 Feb 2021, 14:02 last edited by jon-nyc 2 Jul 2021, 14:46
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                  Even if that’s true, herd immunity is an outcome, or a state of a population, and the definition shouldn’t encapsulate any particular method of achieving it. Likewise with the “let ‘er rip” crowd that euphemized their strategy as “herd immunity”. Herd immunity isn’t a strategy, it’s a potential outcome of one.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    7 Feb 2021, 13:32

                    @axtremus

                    June 9, 2020: Herd Immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.

                    November 13, 2020: Herd Immunity is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached. Herd Immunity is reached by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it.

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                    Copper
                    wrote on 7 Feb 2021, 15:35 last edited by
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                    @george-k said in WHO changes definitions:

                    @axtremus

                    Herd Immunity is reached by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it.

                    Obviously a vaccine salesman.

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