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Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?

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  • MikM Mik

    Cancel culture will get you more Trump. It may not be him the person, but you will get more of exactly what you don’t want. Not unity.

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    @mik said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

    Cancel culture will get you more Trump.

    Has "cancel culture" become more or less prevalent since Trump won the general election near the end of 2016?

    By your theory, you would have to say that "cancel culture" has become less prevalent as we now have "less Trump" than we did at the end of 2016.

    If you say "cancel culture" has become more prevalent, then your theory about "cancel culture" getting you "more Trump" is obviously false as we now have "less Trump" than we did at the end of 2016.

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      @mik said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

      Cancel culture will get you more Trump.

      Has "cancel culture" become more or less prevalent since Trump won the general election near the end of 2016?

      By your theory, you would have to say that "cancel culture" has become less prevalent as we now have "less Trump" than we did at the end of 2016.

      If you say "cancel culture" has become more prevalent, then your theory about "cancel culture" getting you "more Trump" is obviously false as we now have "less Trump" than we did at the end of 2016.

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      @axtremus I think you get "Trump" because of cancel culture. And I think he does amp up the "cancel culture" people even further and you've gotten more "cancel culture"

      But the driving function is still "cancel culture" - and the absence of "Trump" wouldn't correct it.

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        @axtremus I think you get "Trump" because of cancel culture. And I think he does amp up the "cancel culture" people even further and you've gotten more "cancel culture"

        But the driving function is still "cancel culture" - and the absence of "Trump" wouldn't correct it.

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        @xenon Are you saying "Trump" and "cancel culture" form a mutually reinforcing feedback loop, or that only one is driving the other but not the other way round?

        How do you quantify "Trump", as in, how do you know whether you have "more Trump" or "less Trump" now than you did in some other point in time in the past?

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          @xenon Are you saying "Trump" and "cancel culture" form a mutually reinforcing feedback loop, or that only one is driving the other but not the other way round?

          How do you quantify "Trump", as in, how do you know whether you have "more Trump" or "less Trump" now than you did in some other point in time in the past?

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          @axtremus said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

          @xenon Are you saying "Trump" and "cancel culture" form a mutually reinforcing feedback loop, or that only one is driving the other but not the other way round?

          How do you quantify "Trump", as in, how do you know whether you have "more Trump" or "less Trump" now than you did in some other point in time in the past?

          Trump (or Trump-like figures) are like a turbocharger, but not the engine.

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            @axtremus said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

            @xenon Are you saying "Trump" and "cancel culture" form a mutually reinforcing feedback loop, or that only one is driving the other but not the other way round?

            How do you quantify "Trump", as in, how do you know whether you have "more Trump" or "less Trump" now than you did in some other point in time in the past?

            Trump (or Trump-like figures) are like a turbocharger, but not the engine.

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            @xenon said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

            Trump (or Trump-like figures) are like a turbocharger, but not the engine.

            Please help me understand what you are saying ...

            1. "Turbocharger" that turbocharges what in your analogy?
            2. What is the "engine" in your analogy?
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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @xenon said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

              Trump (or Trump-like figures) are like a turbocharger, but not the engine.

              Please help me understand what you are saying ...

              1. "Turbocharger" that turbocharges what in your analogy?
              2. What is the "engine" in your analogy?
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              @axtremus said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

              @xenon said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

              Trump (or Trump-like figures) are like a turbocharger, but not the engine.

              Please help me understand what you are saying ...

              1. "Turbocharger" that turbocharges what in your analogy?
              2. What is the "engine" in your analogy?

              The engine is a culture that is increasingly intolerant of a opinions outside of the mainstream (or what’s deemed to be proper). I can’t pinpoint that to one source.

              It gets turbocharged when some like Trump goes way beyond those boundaries - then the culture becomes intolerant to everything Trump says by default (even stuff that isnt necessarily incendiary)

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                I feel cancel culture at work. I self-censor some of my opinions. (My work isn’t that bad though)

                I do create a little bit of mischief by asking “naive” questions a la Aqua.

                But I’m also aware that as a brown guy I can ask questions that would be harder for white people to ask (and that’s fucked)

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                • X xenon

                  I feel cancel culture at work. I self-censor some of my opinions. (My work isn’t that bad though)

                  I do create a little bit of mischief by asking “naive” questions a la Aqua.

                  But I’m also aware that as a brown guy I can ask questions that would be harder for white people to ask (and that’s fucked)

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                  @xenon said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

                  But I’m also aware that as a brown guy I can ask questions that would be harder for white people to ask (and that’s fucked)

                  Well, remember the Borat rule: surety is your friend. The more certain the other person is that they know what you're about, the more ridiculous you're able to be.

                  Please love yourself.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      McConnell calls MTG a cancer on the GOP.

                      https://wtop.com/government/2021/02/house-democrats-mount-effort-to-punish-georgia-rep-greene/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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                      @jon-nyc said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

                      McConnell calls MTG a cancer on the GOP.

                      An overstatement? Her sheer looniness seems to render her an unserious enough threat to rise to the level of cancer. A serious persistent sinus infection maybe.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        Which is crazier and more damaging? The idea that the Jews have a space laser or the idea that equality means equal outcomes?

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                        @lufins-dad said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

                        Which is crazier and more damaging? The idea that the Jews have a space laser or the idea that equality means equal outcomes?

                        I was going to say the same thing. The Democrat's path to equity for all of their identity groups is madness for the nation. MTG's wackiness is madness pretty much relegated to a small snippet of rural Georgia.

                        And as echoed by Cats, "Her sheer looniness seems to render her an unserious enough threat to rise to the level of cancer."

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                          @lufins-dad said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

                          Which is crazier and more damaging? The idea that the Jews have a space laser or the idea that equality means equal outcomes?

                          I was going to say the same thing. The Democrat's path to equity for all of their identity groups is madness for the nation. MTG's wackiness is madness pretty much relegated to a small snippet of rural Georgia.

                          And as echoed by Cats, "Her sheer looniness seems to render her an unserious enough threat to rise to the level of cancer."

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                          @kincaid said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

                          The Democrat's path to equity for all of their identity groups is madness for the nation.

                          Yeah, but I'm betting the Dem political class is savvy enough to know that this is a non-starter that is good for decades of inter-group squabbling. Leaving them with nothing to do but toss out some soothing rhetoric once in awhile.

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            @kincaid said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

                            The Democrat's path to equity for all of their identity groups is madness for the nation.

                            Yeah, but I'm betting the Dem political class is savvy enough to know that this is a non-starter that is good for decades of inter-group squabbling. Leaving them with nothing to do but toss out some soothing rhetoric once in awhile.

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                            @catseye3 said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

                            @kincaid said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

                            The Democrat's path to equity for all of their identity groups is madness for the nation.

                            Yeah, but I'm betting the Dem political class is savvy enough to know that this is a non-starter that is good for decades of inter-group squabbling. Leaving them with nothing to do but toss out some soothing rhetoric once in awhile.

                            If they can keep a lid on it. Somehow this feels like a Marvel Comics character (Dr. Octopus?) trying to contain the energy...

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                              Remember when Biden told a bunch of African Americans that Republicans were "Going to put ya'll back in chains"?

                              Good times...

                              The Brad

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                                Yes I remember when Biden said that. It betrayed the fact that all leftists are inherently racist to their core. It's really sad, and one of the many reasons why I pray for them. The evil in their hearts must weigh so heavily. I feel so sorry for all of them.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/02/06/wyoming-gop-censures-rep-liz-cheney-voting-impeach-trump/

                                  “The Wyoming Republican Party on Saturday formally censured Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) because she voted to impeach Donald Trump last month, ...”

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                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      Rep. Cheney already voted to impeach Trump, and not being a Senator they does not get to vote to “convict” anyway. So Chris Wallace‘s question is a bit superfluous. Still, Rep. Cheney is not to win any point from the GOP by holding out on the question of ”conviction” now. Might as well go all out and say yes to convict. I’m fairly certain that‘s how she feels anyway.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Who’s more representative of the future of the GOP?:

                                        He couldn't admit or even realize losing and claimed election fraud. If the small group of crazies hadn't "invaded" the largely unguarded Capitol, this sort of rhetoric would not be viable.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          Meanwhile a old white dude is playing against a young black dude for the most watched sports event in the US (probably over 100 million people). We will truly be United for a few hours in healthy competition.

                                          I guess we need Trump bait to entice the rest to click.

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