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  • Catseye3C Catseye3

    @89th said in Office of The Former President:

    I don’t think he’ll ever be able to shake that as his primary legacy.

    I agree with the other points you made in this thread. But I'm not so sure about this one. His X-treme lovers have proved that they will forgive him anything. Any number of things he's said/done should have kiboshed him with the voters, and we've seen that that didn't happen, over and over again.

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    @catseye3 said in Office of The Former President:

    @89th said in Office of The Former President:

    I don’t think he’ll ever be able to shake that as his primary legacy.

    I agree with the other points you made in this thread. But I'm not so sure about this one. His X-treme lovers have proved that they will forgive him anything. Any number of things he's said/done should have kiboshed him with the voters, and we've seen that that didn't happen, over and over again.

    I agree but I think his legacy is more than just his followers...but history will record him as being one of the worst presidents in history: Unable to win a 2nd term, impeached twice, oversaw a fumbled pandemic response, incited an insurrection at the Capitol, said he would never concede the election he resoundingly lost.

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      I think Trump will wear the impeachments as a badge of honor, and a symbol of what the political elites in the swamp do to the middle class. It is a great opener, to talk about the impeachments, and what they really meant, and use that to rally a crowd.

      Trump will still attack the elites, even though he is one with bags of money. He is the only one that represents the flyover country. Nobody else does. Not Republican, and especially not Democrat.

      But, people are moving, socialism creeps in more and more.
      Democrats are now far-left or shut up.
      And there's a couple of years for the Dem's to get away with whatever they want, and that's a couple of years to plan, and to build. Maybe. Certainly will be entertaining to see what Trump does.

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        #27

        There are too many fools and imbeciles contributing to the idea that Trump has a track record of unforgivable things, against the backdrop of what humans actually do, to be taken seriously. I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          There are too many fools and imbeciles contributing to the idea that Trump has a track record of unforgivable things, against the backdrop of what humans actually do, to be taken seriously. I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

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          @horace said in Office of The Former President:

          I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

          Don't you mean, herstory? You sexist pig.

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          • 89th8 89th

            @horace said in Office of The Former President:

            I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

            Don't you mean, herstory? You sexist pig.

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            #29

            @89th said in Office of The Former President:

            @horace said in Office of The Former President:

            I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

            Don't you mean, herstory? You sexist pig.

            I am TNCR's preeminent herstorian. By understanding the past, I can predict, er, prevagina, the future.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • RainmanR Rainman

              I think Trump will wear the impeachments as a badge of honor, and a symbol of what the political elites in the swamp do to the middle class. It is a great opener, to talk about the impeachments, and what they really meant, and use that to rally a crowd.

              Trump will still attack the elites, even though he is one with bags of money. He is the only one that represents the flyover country. Nobody else does. Not Republican, and especially not Democrat.

              But, people are moving, socialism creeps in more and more.
              Democrats are now far-left or shut up.
              And there's a couple of years for the Dem's to get away with whatever they want, and that's a couple of years to plan, and to build. Maybe. Certainly will be entertaining to see what Trump does.

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              Jolly
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              @rainman said in Office of The Former President:

              I think Trump will wear the impeachments as a badge of honor, and a symbol of what the political elites in the swamp do to the middle class. It is a great opener, to talk about the impeachments, and what they really meant, and use that to rally a crowd.

              Trump will still attack the elites, even though he is one with bags of money. He is the only one that represents the flyover country. Nobody else does. Not Republican, and especially not Democrat.

              But, people are moving, socialism creeps in more and more.
              Democrats are now far-left or shut up.
              And there's a couple of years for the Dem's to get away with whatever they want, and that's a couple of years to plan, and to build. Maybe. Certainly will be entertaining to see what Trump does.

              Economy.

              At some point, you run out of other people's money. I don't buy into MMT. I don't think socialism can work.

              And I think that as Joe taxes and tanks the 401k market, he's going to run into a political buzzsaw.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @rainman said in Office of The Former President:

                I think Trump will wear the impeachments as a badge of honor, and a symbol of what the political elites in the swamp do to the middle class. It is a great opener, to talk about the impeachments, and what they really meant, and use that to rally a crowd.

                Trump will still attack the elites, even though he is one with bags of money. He is the only one that represents the flyover country. Nobody else does. Not Republican, and especially not Democrat.

                But, people are moving, socialism creeps in more and more.
                Democrats are now far-left or shut up.
                And there's a couple of years for the Dem's to get away with whatever they want, and that's a couple of years to plan, and to build. Maybe. Certainly will be entertaining to see what Trump does.

                Economy.

                At some point, you run out of other people's money. I don't buy into MMT. I don't think socialism can work.

                And I think that as Joe taxes and tanks the 401k market, he's going to run into a political buzzsaw.

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                @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

                And I think that as Joe taxes and tanks the 401k market, he's going to run into a political buzzsaw.

                (https://www.barrons.com/articles/presidents-dont-influence-the-economy-as-much-as-you-might-think-51610620201)

                Posted the link in another forum thread, but fits here too.

                QUOTE
                Eight years and one economic disaster later, America took a hard left turn and elected Franklin D. Roosevelt, the anti-Coolidge. Barron’s warned that the Democrat was a “public-ownership” devotee at “the ‘red’ end of the spectrum,” and Roosevelt did indeed usher in the era of big government.

                Yet during FDR’s first term, the Dow soared to 185.96 from 53.84—a jump of 245%, surpassing Coolidge’s bump by a wide margin.

                If this tells us anything about presidents and their economic success, it’s that timing is everything. Take Herbert Hoover. He assumed office at the Coolidge peak and got buried when it collapsed. War and disease upended other presidencies. All administrations are subject to larger global forces that often scuttle even the best-laid economic plans.

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                  If you think Joe taxing 401k funds is not going to have a major effect upon the market, you need to think that over again.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    If you think Joe taxing 401k funds is not going to have a major effect upon the market, you need to think that over again.

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                    taiwan_girl
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                    @jolly all I am saying is that if you look at historic‘s, there is very little difference between the terms of a democrat and Republic.

                    I don’t see any reason why President Biden would be that different from the historical average.

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      @jolly all I am saying is that if you look at historic‘s, there is very little difference between the terms of a democrat and Republic.

                      I don’t see any reason why President Biden would be that different from the historical average.

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                      @taiwan_girl said in Office of The Former President:

                      @jolly all I am saying is that if you look at historic‘s, there is very little difference between the terms of a democrat and Republic.

                      I don’t see any reason why President Biden would be that different from the historical average.

                      Then you have to ask yourself the question, what reason might you possibly say?

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @taiwan_girl said in Office of The Former President:

                        @jolly all I am saying is that if you look at historic‘s, there is very little difference between the terms of a democrat and Republic.

                        I don’t see any reason why President Biden would be that different from the historical average.

                        Then you have to ask yourself the question, what reason might you possibly say?

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                        @horace said in Office of The Former President:

                        @taiwan_girl said in Office of The Former President:

                        @jolly all I am saying is that if you look at historic‘s, there is very little difference between the terms of a democrat and Republic.

                        I don’t see any reason why President Biden would be that different from the historical average.

                        Then you have to ask yourself the question, what reason might you possibly say?

                        What I have always said. The president does not have as much affect as people say. The president gets too much praise when everything goes up up up, and too much blame when everything goes down.

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @horace said in Office of The Former President:

                          @taiwan_girl said in Office of The Former President:

                          @jolly all I am saying is that if you look at historic‘s, there is very little difference between the terms of a democrat and Republic.

                          I don’t see any reason why President Biden would be that different from the historical average.

                          Then you have to ask yourself the question, what reason might you possibly say?

                          What I have always said. The president does not have as much affect as people say. The president gets too much praise when everything goes up up up, and too much blame when everything goes down.

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                          @taiwan_girl said in Office of The Former President:

                          @horace said in Office of The Former President:

                          @taiwan_girl said in Office of The Former President:

                          @jolly all I am saying is that if you look at historic‘s, there is very little difference between the terms of a democrat and Republic.

                          I don’t see any reason why President Biden would be that different from the historical average.

                          Then you have to ask yourself the question, what reason might you possibly say?

                          What I have always said. The president does not have as much affect as people say. The president gets too much praise when everything goes up up up, and too much blame when everything goes down.

                          effect.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @taiwan_girl said in Office of The Former President:

                            @horace said in Office of The Former President:

                            @taiwan_girl said in Office of The Former President:

                            @jolly all I am saying is that if you look at historic‘s, there is very little difference between the terms of a democrat and Republic.

                            I don’t see any reason why President Biden would be that different from the historical average.

                            Then you have to ask yourself the question, what reason might you possibly say?

                            What I have always said. The president does not have as much affect as people say. The president gets too much praise when everything goes up up up, and too much blame when everything goes down.

                            effect.

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                            Rainman
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                            @horace She must mean flat affect.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              @89th said in Office of The Former President:

                              @horace said in Office of The Former President:

                              I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

                              Don't you mean, herstory? You sexist pig.

                              I am TNCR's preeminent herstorian. By understanding the past, I can predict, er, prevagina, the future.

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                              @horace said in Office of The Former President:

                              I am TNCR's preeminent herstorian. By understanding the past, I can predict, er, prevagina, the future.

                              👌

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                If you think Joe taxing 401k funds is not going to have a major effect upon the market, you need to think that over again.

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                                @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

                                ... Joe taxing 401k funds ...

                                There you go again with a half truth. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Repent!

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  I’m totally on board with the change to a tax credit instead of a deduction. Makes sense. I like the refundable part.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

                                    ... Joe taxing 401k funds ...

                                    There you go again with a half truth. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Repent!

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                                    Jolly
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                                    @axtremus said in Office of The Former President:

                                    @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

                                    ... Joe taxing 401k funds ...

                                    There you go again with a half truth. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Repent!

                                    Lad, if anybody needs some Jesus around here, it would be you.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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