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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @xenon said in Office of The Former President:

    Hmmm.. I think a bunch of centrist democrats would find common cause with that 17% of Republicans.

    There'd be a bunch of second order effects.

    I'd love it if there was a party for kooks on both sides and a centrist one.

    And who says the Trump isn't the one with the Centrists?

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    @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

    @xenon said in Office of The Former President:

    Hmmm.. I think a bunch of centrist democrats would find common cause with that 17% of Republicans.

    There'd be a bunch of second order effects.

    I'd love it if there was a party for kooks on both sides and a centrist one.

    And who says the Trump isn't the one with the Centrists?

    Yeah, it's been really noticeable how all the moderates here are so pro-Trump.

    I was only joking

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      23%.

      https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/shock-poll-trump-patriot-party-would-win-almost-quarter-voters-drop-gop

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      @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

      23%.

      https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/shock-poll-trump-patriot-party-would-win-almost-quarter-voters-drop-gop

      How about you, @Jolly ? If it comes down to Trump (or Trump’s party) vs. another Republican (or the Republic party) for your ballot, which one would you vote for?

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

        @xenon said in Office of The Former President:

        @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

        Realize if he can carve out half of the Republicans who voted for him and most of the Dems, he'd have the second largest political party?

        Second place doesn’t count for much when you’re in the distant minority.

        Tell that to Bush 41.

        If Trump's party gains any traction you can kiss goodbye to a conservative government. He'll split the right.

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        @doctor-phibes said in Office of The Former President:

        @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

        @xenon said in Office of The Former President:

        @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

        Realize if he can carve out half of the Republicans who voted for him and most of the Dems, he'd have the second largest political party?

        Second place doesn’t count for much when you’re in the distant minority.

        Tell that to Bush 41.

        If Trump's party gains any traction you can kiss goodbye to a conservative government. He'll split the right.

        Yeah it’d be like a 3rd party spoiler on steroids. Would easily hand dems election after election. The good news is a Trump party would likely go bankrupt based on his track record.

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          Jolly
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          Sorry lads, you're missing some points.

          Trump did much, much better in some heavily latino districts, than any Republican has ever done.

          Trump did better in some black districts, than Republicans normally do.

          That means there is some room to carve out a constituency that inckudes a sizeable portion of formally Democrat voters. Not traditional Republican voters.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Yeah but still in the minority. Zero ZERO chance Trump would win next to a rep and lib. He couldn’t even win when there was only the lib.

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              xenon
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              Are we already pretending like he didn’t leave in disgrace, after he lost?

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              • X xenon

                Are we already pretending like he didn’t leave in disgrace, after he lost?

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                89th
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                @xenon said in Office of The Former President:

                Are we already pretending like he didn’t leave in disgrace, after he lost?

                I don’t think he’ll ever be able to shake that as his primary legacy. Well earned, too. I’m glad he is paying the price for being a sitting President lying about an election and refusing to concede.

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Sorry lads, you're missing some points.

                  Trump did much, much better in some heavily latino districts, than any Republican has ever done.

                  Trump did better in some black districts, than Republicans normally do.

                  That means there is some room to carve out a constituency that inckudes a sizeable portion of formally Democrat voters. Not traditional Republican voters.

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                  @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

                  Sorry lads, you're missing some points.

                  Trump did much, much better in some heavily latino districts, than any Republican has ever done.

                  Trump did better in some black districts, than Republicans normally do.

                  That means there is some room to carve out a constituency that inckudes a sizeable portion of formally Democrat voters. Not traditional Republican voters.

                  The article you quoted says that the Trumpet Party would push the Republicans into third place, based on what sounds like a rather optimistic opinion poll.

                  I was only joking

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    Yeah but still in the minority. Zero ZERO chance Trump would win next to a rep and lib. He couldn’t even win when there was only the lib.

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                    @89th said in Office of The Former President:

                    Yeah but still in the minority. Zero ZERO chance Trump would win next to a rep and lib. He couldn’t even win when there was only the lib.

                    Trump didn't win because...

                    1. COVID. Not his response to the pandemic, which was average or a bit better than average, but simply because of the turmoil and suffering the pandemic brought. Right or wrong, the buck stops on the President's desk.

                    2. Media lies and biased coverage. The MSM coverage of Trump was biased and unrelenting. Even when news outlets knew better, they would still propagate baseless lies as fact about Trump, as in the Russia! hoax.

                    3. The MSM anointing Biden as the Chosen One. No hard questions, no coverage of many of his miscues or missteps, no questioning if his bunker strategy or his premature lids on activity, no hard looks at his record in Washington. Most importantly, no true examination of his influence peddling or how the Biden family made their money. And a total fail on covering the Hunter Biden story.

                    4. Election fraud. Yep, I'm going there. I think there was plenty of election fraud and I think most of the anomalies and evidence produced was roundly ignored. I don't think the fraud was centrally controlled, but rather a culmination of individuals and local Democrat party organisations making the "moral" choice to cheat against a perceived evil Orange Man. It is sad that an election in Turkey is more transparent than an election in America.

                    Can Trump win again, either as a Republican or as a third party? Ask the Dems, they're scared shitless of him. Witness the current political perversion of the Constitution and the Pelosi-generated shitshow.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

                      23%.

                      https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/shock-poll-trump-patriot-party-would-win-almost-quarter-voters-drop-gop

                      How about you, @Jolly ? If it comes down to Trump (or Trump’s party) vs. another Republican (or the Republic party) for your ballot, which one would you vote for?

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                      @axtremus said in Office of The Former President:

                      How about you, @Jolly ? If it comes down to Trump (or Trump’s party) vs. another Republican (or the Republic party) for your ballot, which one would you vote for?

                      I want to open that question to everyone. Is there anyone here who would vote for Trump (or the Trump party) over another Republican (or the Republican party) if an election comes down to these two?

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                        @axtremus as I have said, I think there are many things that President Trump did well during his presidency but his overall character outweighed much of that good that he did. I think @xenon said it better than I could in an earlier post.

                        Basically, for those who like President Trump, his positives weigh more than his flaws. For those who do not like him, his flaws weigh more than his positives.

                        For me, it would have to be a very very poor republic candidate that would make me vote for President Trump over them.

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          @xenon said in Office of The Former President:

                          Are we already pretending like he didn’t leave in disgrace, after he lost?

                          I don’t think he’ll ever be able to shake that as his primary legacy. Well earned, too. I’m glad he is paying the price for being a sitting President lying about an election and refusing to concede.

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                          @89th said in Office of The Former President:

                          I don’t think he’ll ever be able to shake that as his primary legacy.

                          I agree with the other points you made in this thread. But I'm not so sure about this one. His X-treme lovers have proved that they will forgive him anything. Any number of things he's said/done should have kiboshed him with the voters, and we've seen that that didn't happen, over and over again.

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          • Catseye3C Catseye3

                            @89th said in Office of The Former President:

                            I don’t think he’ll ever be able to shake that as his primary legacy.

                            I agree with the other points you made in this thread. But I'm not so sure about this one. His X-treme lovers have proved that they will forgive him anything. Any number of things he's said/done should have kiboshed him with the voters, and we've seen that that didn't happen, over and over again.

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                            @catseye3 said in Office of The Former President:

                            @89th said in Office of The Former President:

                            I don’t think he’ll ever be able to shake that as his primary legacy.

                            I agree with the other points you made in this thread. But I'm not so sure about this one. His X-treme lovers have proved that they will forgive him anything. Any number of things he's said/done should have kiboshed him with the voters, and we've seen that that didn't happen, over and over again.

                            I agree but I think his legacy is more than just his followers...but history will record him as being one of the worst presidents in history: Unable to win a 2nd term, impeached twice, oversaw a fumbled pandemic response, incited an insurrection at the Capitol, said he would never concede the election he resoundingly lost.

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                              I think Trump will wear the impeachments as a badge of honor, and a symbol of what the political elites in the swamp do to the middle class. It is a great opener, to talk about the impeachments, and what they really meant, and use that to rally a crowd.

                              Trump will still attack the elites, even though he is one with bags of money. He is the only one that represents the flyover country. Nobody else does. Not Republican, and especially not Democrat.

                              But, people are moving, socialism creeps in more and more.
                              Democrats are now far-left or shut up.
                              And there's a couple of years for the Dem's to get away with whatever they want, and that's a couple of years to plan, and to build. Maybe. Certainly will be entertaining to see what Trump does.

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                                Horace
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                                There are too many fools and imbeciles contributing to the idea that Trump has a track record of unforgivable things, against the backdrop of what humans actually do, to be taken seriously. I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  There are too many fools and imbeciles contributing to the idea that Trump has a track record of unforgivable things, against the backdrop of what humans actually do, to be taken seriously. I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

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                                  @horace said in Office of The Former President:

                                  I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

                                  Don't you mean, herstory? You sexist pig.

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                                  • 89th8 89th

                                    @horace said in Office of The Former President:

                                    I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

                                    Don't you mean, herstory? You sexist pig.

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                                    @89th said in Office of The Former President:

                                    @horace said in Office of The Former President:

                                    I mostly know this due to my study and knowledge of history.

                                    Don't you mean, herstory? You sexist pig.

                                    I am TNCR's preeminent herstorian. By understanding the past, I can predict, er, prevagina, the future.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • RainmanR Rainman

                                      I think Trump will wear the impeachments as a badge of honor, and a symbol of what the political elites in the swamp do to the middle class. It is a great opener, to talk about the impeachments, and what they really meant, and use that to rally a crowd.

                                      Trump will still attack the elites, even though he is one with bags of money. He is the only one that represents the flyover country. Nobody else does. Not Republican, and especially not Democrat.

                                      But, people are moving, socialism creeps in more and more.
                                      Democrats are now far-left or shut up.
                                      And there's a couple of years for the Dem's to get away with whatever they want, and that's a couple of years to plan, and to build. Maybe. Certainly will be entertaining to see what Trump does.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      @rainman said in Office of The Former President:

                                      I think Trump will wear the impeachments as a badge of honor, and a symbol of what the political elites in the swamp do to the middle class. It is a great opener, to talk about the impeachments, and what they really meant, and use that to rally a crowd.

                                      Trump will still attack the elites, even though he is one with bags of money. He is the only one that represents the flyover country. Nobody else does. Not Republican, and especially not Democrat.

                                      But, people are moving, socialism creeps in more and more.
                                      Democrats are now far-left or shut up.
                                      And there's a couple of years for the Dem's to get away with whatever they want, and that's a couple of years to plan, and to build. Maybe. Certainly will be entertaining to see what Trump does.

                                      Economy.

                                      At some point, you run out of other people's money. I don't buy into MMT. I don't think socialism can work.

                                      And I think that as Joe taxes and tanks the 401k market, he's going to run into a political buzzsaw.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @rainman said in Office of The Former President:

                                        I think Trump will wear the impeachments as a badge of honor, and a symbol of what the political elites in the swamp do to the middle class. It is a great opener, to talk about the impeachments, and what they really meant, and use that to rally a crowd.

                                        Trump will still attack the elites, even though he is one with bags of money. He is the only one that represents the flyover country. Nobody else does. Not Republican, and especially not Democrat.

                                        But, people are moving, socialism creeps in more and more.
                                        Democrats are now far-left or shut up.
                                        And there's a couple of years for the Dem's to get away with whatever they want, and that's a couple of years to plan, and to build. Maybe. Certainly will be entertaining to see what Trump does.

                                        Economy.

                                        At some point, you run out of other people's money. I don't buy into MMT. I don't think socialism can work.

                                        And I think that as Joe taxes and tanks the 401k market, he's going to run into a political buzzsaw.

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                                        @jolly said in Office of The Former President:

                                        And I think that as Joe taxes and tanks the 401k market, he's going to run into a political buzzsaw.

                                        (https://www.barrons.com/articles/presidents-dont-influence-the-economy-as-much-as-you-might-think-51610620201)

                                        Posted the link in another forum thread, but fits here too.

                                        QUOTE
                                        Eight years and one economic disaster later, America took a hard left turn and elected Franklin D. Roosevelt, the anti-Coolidge. Barron’s warned that the Democrat was a “public-ownership” devotee at “the ‘red’ end of the spectrum,” and Roosevelt did indeed usher in the era of big government.

                                        Yet during FDR’s first term, the Dow soared to 185.96 from 53.84—a jump of 245%, surpassing Coolidge’s bump by a wide margin.

                                        If this tells us anything about presidents and their economic success, it’s that timing is everything. Take Herbert Hoover. He assumed office at the Coolidge peak and got buried when it collapsed. War and disease upended other presidencies. All administrations are subject to larger global forces that often scuttle even the best-laid economic plans.

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                                          If you think Joe taxing 401k funds is not going to have a major effect upon the market, you need to think that over again.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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