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Remind me where democracy ends again?

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #2

      My guess is the latter is federal lands only which was his position before.

      You were warned.

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        jon-nyc
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        #3

        It’s federal lands only, which he campaigned on. So now the question to ask is, is this Jack guy sloppy or malevolently trying to deceive you. Is he a journalist?

        You were warned.

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        • George KG Offline
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          Here's the Washington Post from 3 days ago:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-charts-new-us-direction-promises-many-trump-reversals/2021/01/20/22012e5a-5adf-11eb-a849-6f9423a75ffd_story.html

          "Biden says his administration would ban new permits for oil and gas production on federal lands, though he says he does not support a fracking ban."

          That's vague enough that one can read it either way. I suppose in the context of the sentence, you could say he doesn't support the ban.

          According to this, fracking on federal land accounts for about 10% of natural gas. That's a lot.

          It also says, " Biden's proposal to ban fracking on federal lands would, in fact, slow that shift. But it's false to say he would ban fracking altogether."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            #5

            George here’s the first piece your guy linked to. It’s quite clear what Trump was claiming vs what Biden’s actual position was and still is. (fWIW, The Trump lie was about PA. Almost all of the federal land is out west.)

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/07/trump-campaign-promotes-false-claim-that-biden-would-end-fracking/

            You were warned.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
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              Federal land in PA is almost entirely the Allegheny forest preserve.

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              You were warned.

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
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                Where the fracking is.

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                You were warned.

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                • 89th8 Offline
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                  what the frack!

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    Some detail from a local PA news station in October

                    The Democratic party’s progressive wing has pushed for a ban on fracking because of the environmental damage drilling caused in some areas, including Pennsylvania.

                    But a president cannot ban fracking on private land — only Congress can do that. And the vast majority of fracking in Pennsylvania takes place on private and state land. The state leases about 11 percent of its land — 251,233 acres — to gas drillers.

                    What Biden says he wants to do — as part of his larger plan to tackle climate change — is stop leasing any new oil and gas rights on federal land.

                    But Pennsylvania has very little federal land. The only place where federal leases exist are in the Allegheny National Forest, where there are three oil and gas leases that span about 855 acres.

                    You were warned.

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