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Pardonpalooza

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  • C Catseye3
    19 Jan 2021, 18:54

    @horace said in Pardonpalooza:

    Lots of destruction of the republic going around.

    I didn't post Mason's argument to support any position of mine, but because I thought it was interesting in its own right.

    I don't know enough about the prez pardon to have a position.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 12:39 last edited by
    #58

    @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

    @horace said in Pardonpalooza:

    Lots of destruction of the republic going around.

    I didn't post Mason's argument to support any position of mine, but because I thought it was interesting in its own right.

    I don't know enough about the prez pardon to have a position.

    Educate thyself.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • R Rainman
      21 Jan 2021, 04:09

      Wouldn't it be fun if Trump were to have pardoned everybody. Open the jailhouse doors. Kinda like a "Reset" or something. "You're all free to go!" And then encourage those released on where they should go.

      We start over.

      Another of my great ideas ignored. Oh well.

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      Catseye3
      wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 13:09 last edited by
      #59

      @rainman said in Pardonpalooza:

      Another of my great ideas ignored. Oh well.

      But keep on keepin' on, Rainman! One of them is bound to capture the imagination of we us the people. 🙂

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • R Rainman
        21 Jan 2021, 04:09

        Wouldn't it be fun if Trump were to have pardoned everybody. Open the jailhouse doors. Kinda like a "Reset" or something. "You're all free to go!" And then encourage those released on where they should go.

        We start over.

        Another of my great ideas ignored. Oh well.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 13:27 last edited by Doctor Phibes
        #60

        @rainman said in Pardonpalooza:

        And then encourage those released on where they should go.

        Palm Beach, FL?

        I was only joking

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 13:53 last edited by jon-nyc
          #61

          I’m sure the guys that were arrested with Bannon are pretty jealous right now. They did the same thing, and they weren’t pardoned, after all.

          But I wonder if it has occurred to them that they’re extra fucked now? Bannon can’t plead 5th amendment protection from self-incrimination so he can be compelled to testify against his co-conspirators. And if he lies that’s a new federal crime not covered by the pardon.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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          • J jon-nyc
            21 Jan 2021, 13:53

            I’m sure the guys that were arrested with Bannon are pretty jealous right now. They did the same thing, and they weren’t pardoned, after all.

            But I wonder if it has occurred to them that they’re extra fucked now? Bannon can’t plead 5th amendment protection from self-incrimination so he can be compelled to testify against his co-conspirators. And if he lies that’s a new federal crime not covered by the pardon.

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            Loki
            wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 16:43 last edited by
            #62

            @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

            I’m sure the guys that were arrested with Bannon are pretty jealous right now. They did the same thing, and they weren’t pardoned, after all.

            But I wonder if it has occurred to them that they’re extra fucked now? Bannon can’t plead 5th amendment protection from self-incrimination so he can be compelled to testify against his co-conspirators. And if he lies that’s a new federal crime not covered by the pardon.

            I guess the reality is you have a weird case or two which is a high contrast to what an imagined pardonpalooza would have looked like.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 16:49 last edited by
              #63

              Did you read the McCarthy piece?

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              • L Loki
                21 Jan 2021, 16:43

                @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                I’m sure the guys that were arrested with Bannon are pretty jealous right now. They did the same thing, and they weren’t pardoned, after all.

                But I wonder if it has occurred to them that they’re extra fucked now? Bannon can’t plead 5th amendment protection from self-incrimination so he can be compelled to testify against his co-conspirators. And if he lies that’s a new federal crime not covered by the pardon.

                I guess the reality is you have a weird case or two which is a high contrast to what an imagined pardonpalooza would have looked like.

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                Catseye3
                wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 16:51 last edited by Catseye3
                #64

                @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                And if he lies that’s a new federal crime not covered by the pardon.

                Might not be so bad. If he gets jugged, he could get tips from Martha Stewart on Houseplants That Don't Need Sunlight and Twelve Uses for Leftover Hockey Puck Hamburgers.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                • J jon-nyc
                  21 Jan 2021, 16:49

                  Did you read the McCarthy piece?

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                  Loki
                  wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 17:49 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                  Did you read the McCarthy piece?

                  I did. I’ve seen so many shady people get pardoned in my life that it was hard to be moved. What I will most likely remember of all is that fractional numbers of people got pardoned vs what was predicted. I believed the predictions myself but it turned out to be off base. Not for him, not for his family and then they made us read that Capitol protesters could get pardoned.

                  Not blaming anyone just noting it was largely miscast.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 18:22 last edited by
                    #66

                    Seems like if you had read the McCarthy piece you’d know it wasn’t one or two suspect pardons.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 18:31 last edited by
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                      Without any study, it seems to me that President Trump did pardons that were pretty similar to pretty much all other presidents recently. Some a lot of people agreed with, and there is always one or two or three where people scratch their head

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                      • J jon-nyc
                        21 Jan 2021, 18:22

                        Seems like if you had read the McCarthy piece you’d know it wasn’t one or two suspect pardons.

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                        Loki
                        wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 18:34 last edited by
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                        @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                        Seems like if you had read the McCarthy piece you’d know it wasn’t one or two suspect pardons.

                        I am contrasting what he did to “pardonpalooza”. I guess you are saying it came to pass. My take is it didn’t play out that way.

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                        • L Loki
                          21 Jan 2021, 18:34

                          @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                          Seems like if you had read the McCarthy piece you’d know it wasn’t one or two suspect pardons.

                          I am contrasting what he did to “pardonpalooza”. I guess you are saying it came to pass. My take is it didn’t play out that way.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 18:36 last edited by
                          #69

                          @loki you’re hilarious. You literally said one or two, and I called you out on that.

                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          • J jon-nyc
                            21 Jan 2021, 18:36

                            @loki you’re hilarious. You literally said one or two, and I called you out on that.

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                            Loki
                            wrote on 21 Jan 2021, 19:01 last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                            @loki you’re hilarious. You literally said one or two, and I called you out on that.

                            Okay my bad. It’s several or many but you coined the term pardonpalooza and I can’t get there mathematically. Billy, no Pardons for Trump himself or family. It’s getting tough navigating around the elephant in the room.

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