Travesty
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Travesty:
This thread is not really about Trump, other than the fact that people are so colored by their opinion, that they will ignore treason and sedition, not really caring what happens to the country.
I've been beating a drum from the beginning of this subversion of the U.S. system.
Worth repeating.
Several of y'all do not care about this country, as long as you can stroke the Trump hate.
Shame on you.
Shame.
You've been beating a drum, alright.
Which brings me to ask you just what your goal is in participating here. It's been decades, man. Do you really think you're going to win a political argument here? We're all going to be here tomorrow. What's the goal, for us to all agree with you? To push out everyone who doesn't? What is a post like that supposed to accomplish?
That of course applies to me just as much as it does anyone else. I should think at this point that winning the politics game should be a ridiculous notion to everyone who's still here after so long a time.
It's simply the Truth. It goes beyond political affiliation. I find it head-shaking sad that some do not see the importance of the actions.
But that's ok, if that's how the game is to be played. As a wise person once told me, all you have to do, is tell me the rules and I'll play to win. These rules let agents of the government subvert and influence the electoral process.
What's the next step? A coup d'etat? A sanctioned assasination? You're already a third of the way down the slope, why not slide to the bottom?
Lastly, if the group dislikes my views that much, please let me know. I have other places to go.
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I don't ever remember telling someone on this board to go fuck themselves.
Ever.
You seem to do it with impunity. And the fact that you do that, makes me think others of your political ilk think likewise. So that turns me completely off from your politics.
That's really the only thing I don't like about you. Your thoughts and opinions about just about everything else have always been respected and welcomed.
We all have different views of the world and we are free to express them. But we really shouldn't tell others to go fuck themselves just because our views are polar opposite of each other.
That statement will never leave my memory of you.
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@Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.
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I don't ever remember telling someone on this board to go fuck themselves.
Ever.
You seem to do it with impunity. And the fact that you do that, makes me think others of your political ilk think likewise. So that turns me completely off from your politics.
That's really the only thing I don't like about you. Your thoughts and opinions about just about everything else have always been respected and welcomed.
We all have different views of the world and we are free to express them. But we really shouldn't tell others to go fuck themselves just because our views are polar opposite of each other.
That statement will never leave my memory of you.
The less personally involved someone is with a group, the easier it is to make avatars out of them and think whatever you want about them.
@Jolly I don't want you to leave, man, I'm just saying chill out a bit. (And I'm saying that in no small part because I'm working on that, too.)
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@Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.
Keep at it and you and everyone else here is going to be talking with only themselves after awhile.
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Travesty:
@Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.
Keep at it and you and everyone else here is going to be talking with only themselves after awhile.
Is that a threat?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Travesty:
@Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.
Keep at it and you and everyone else here is going to be talking with only themselves after awhile.
Is that a threat?
No, not at all. I'm saying we should all cool down.
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If your second point is true it is time to shut down FISA courts entirely.
Was reading up on this topic. That seems to be exactly the case.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/us/politics/fbi-fisa-wiretap-trump.html
An inspector general uncovered pervasive problems in the F.B.I.’s preparation of wiretap applications, according to a memo released Tuesday about an audit that grew out of a damning report last year about errors and omissions in applications to target a former Trump campaign adviser during the Russia investigation..
The follow-up audit of unrelated cases by the Justice Department’s independent watchdog, Michael E. Horowitz, revealed a broader pattern of sloppiness by the F.B.I. in seeking permission to use powerful tools to eavesdrop on American soil in national security cases. It comes at a time when Congress is debating new limits on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA.
The finding of systemic incompetence is devastating for the F.B.I. But in the Trump era, the discovery is leavened by an unusual side benefit for the bureau: It undercuts the narrative fostered by President Trump and his supporters that the botching of applications to surveil his campaign adviser Carter Page is evidence that the F.B.I. engaged in a politically biased conspiracy.
Mr. Horowitz’s investigators reviewed so-called Woods files, where the F.B.I. is supposed to catalog supporting documentation for factual claims in a FISA application, in a random sample of 29 requests to wiretap someone as part of a terrorism or espionage investigation under FISA. They found problems with all 29..
We do not have confidence that the F.B.I. has executed its Woods Procedures in compliance with F.B.I. policy, or that the process is working as it was intended to help achieve the ‘scrupulously accurate’ standard for FISA applications,” the inspector general report said.
Testing the FISA applications against their underlying evidence “identified apparent errors or inadequately supported facts in all of the 25 applications we reviewed,” the report said.
The other four could not be scrutinized at all because the F.B.I. could not even locate the required Woods file. In the 25 applications reviewed, there was an average of about 20 problems each. One alone had 65 issues..
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The investigation into Flynn was codenamed "Crossfire Razor" at the FBI. In January of 2017, before the inauguration of Trump, the FBI found "no derogatory information" and will CR is "no longer a viable candidate" as part of Crossfire Hurricane.
And then Peter Strzok intervenes:
And, the Obama White House was involved:
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A summary of today's revelations:
FBI Closed Flynn Case, Dubbed ‘Crossfire Razor,’ In Early 2017, Until Strzok Ordered It To Stay Open
New evidence released Thursday shows that the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI), closed its criminal counterintelligence investigation of retired Gen. Mike Flynn on January 4, 2017, only to have it reopened by Peter Strzok.
“The goal of the investigation was to determine whether [Flynn], associated with the Trump campaign, was directed and controlled by and/or coordinated activities with the Russian Federation in a manner which is a threat to the national security and/or possibly a violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act,” the FBI memorandum formally closing its investigation of Flynn stated. “Following the initiation of captioned case, the [Crossfire Hurricane] team conducted a check of logical databases for any derogatory information on [Flynn].”
“No derogatory information was identified in FBI holdings,” the memo stated.
“Hey if you haven’t closed RAZOR, don’t do so yet,” Strzok texted at 2:14 p.m. on January 4, 2017.
“Razor still open,” Strzok immediately texted to Lisa Page, a former assistant to fired former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. Strzok and Page reportedly had an adulterous affair that was captured by their text messages to each other.
Additional texts from Strzok on February 10 also confirm suspicions that Strzok personally rewrote the official FBI account of his and FBI agent Joe Pientka’s interview of Flynn on January 24, 2017.
“Lisa, you didn’t see it before my edits that went into what I sent you,” Strzok texted his former lover at 5:37 p.m. on February 20, 2017. “I was trying to completely re-write the thing so as to save [redacted] voice and 2) get it out to you for general review and comment in anticipation of needing it soon.”
The redaction is likely a reference to Pientka, who took the original notes during the Flynn interview.
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Lengthy explanation of not what happened, but why it happened;
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/fbi-set-up-michael-flynn-to-preserve-trump-russia-probe/
To understand what happened here, you have to understand what the FBI’s objective was, first formed in collaboration with Obama-administration officials. That includes President Obama, Vice President Biden, and Flynn’s predecessor, national-security adviser Susan Rice, with whom then-Acting Attorney General Sally Yates and then–FBI director James Comey met at the White House on January 5, 2017 — smack in the middle of the chain-of-events that led to Flynn’s ouster. Recall Rice’s CYA memo about the meeting: “President Obama said he wants to be sure that, as we engage with the incoming team, we are mindful to ascertain if there is any reason that we cannot share information fully as it relates to Russia” (emphasis added). Rice wrote those words on January 20, at the very time the FBI was making its plan to push Flynn out.
The objective of the Obama administration and its FBI hierarchy was to continue the Trump–Russia investigation, even after President Trump took office, and even though President Trump was the quarry. The investigation would hamstring Trump’s capacity to govern and reverse Obama policies. Continuing it would allow the FBI to keep digging until it finally came up with a crime or impeachable offense that they were then confident they would find. Remember, even then, the bureau was telling the FISA court that Trump’s campaign was suspected of collaborating in Russia’s election interference. FBI brass had also pushed for the intelligence community to include the Steele dossier — the bogus compendium of Trump–Russia collusion allegations — in its report assessing Russia’s meddling in the campaign.
But how could the FBI sustain an investigation targeting the president when the president would have the power to shut the investigation down?>The only way the bureau could pull that off would be to conceal from the president the fullness of the Russia investigation — in particular, the fact that Trump was the target.
That is why Flynn had to go.
