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  • markM Offline
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    mark
    wrote on last edited by
    #35

    That is so much bullshit.

    One can care about one's country and have disdain for the "leaders". In fact, a more American attitude, I cannot imagine. To bow down and worship them is the most un-American attitude I can imagine.

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    • markM mark

      That is so much bullshit.

      One can care about one's country and have disdain for the "leaders". In fact, a more American attitude, I cannot imagine. To bow down and worship them is the most un-American attitude I can imagine.

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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #36

      @mark said in Travesty:

      That is so much bullshit.

      One can care about one's country and have disdain for the "leaders". In fact, a more American attitude, I cannot imagine. To bow down and worship them is the most un-American attitude I can imagine.

      Has nothing to do with who is in the Oval Office, or do you not understand the main issue?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • markM Offline
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        mark
        wrote on last edited by
        #37

        Of course I understand the main issue. You just have different opinion about it than I do. It's really as simple as that.

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        • markM mark

          Of course I understand the main issue. You just have different opinion about it than I do. It's really as simple as that.

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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #38

          @mark said in Travesty:

          Of course I understand the main issue. You just have different opinion about it than I do. It's really as simple as that.

          Oh, you're ok with subversion and treason?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • markM Offline
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            mark
            wrote on last edited by
            #39

            That's what you see. I do not see that.

            The revolutionary war was all about treason and sedition.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #40
              • Treason - NOUN

              • the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. *

              • Subversion - NOUN

              • the undermining of the power and authority of an established system or institution.*

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @Jolly said in Travesty:

                This thread is not really about Trump, other than the fact that people are so colored by their opinion, that they will ignore treason and sedition, not really caring what happens to the country.

                I've been beating a drum from the beginning of this subversion of the U.S. system.

                Worth repeating.

                Several of y'all do not care about this country, as long as you can stroke the Trump hate.

                Shame on you.

                Shame.

                Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                Aqua Letifer
                wrote on last edited by
                #41

                @Jolly said in Travesty:

                @Jolly said in Travesty:

                This thread is not really about Trump, other than the fact that people are so colored by their opinion, that they will ignore treason and sedition, not really caring what happens to the country.

                I've been beating a drum from the beginning of this subversion of the U.S. system.

                Worth repeating.

                Several of y'all do not care about this country, as long as you can stroke the Trump hate.

                Shame on you.

                Shame.

                You've been beating a drum, alright.

                Which brings me to ask you just what your goal is in participating here. It's been decades, man. Do you really think you're going to win a political argument here? We're all going to be here tomorrow. What's the goal, for us to all agree with you? To push out everyone who doesn't? What is a post like that supposed to accomplish?

                That of course applies to me just as much as it does anyone else. I should think at this point that winning the politics game should be a ridiculous notion to everyone who's still here after so long a time.

                Please love yourself.

                JollyJ CopperC 2 Replies Last reply
                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                  @Jolly said in Travesty:

                  @Jolly said in Travesty:

                  This thread is not really about Trump, other than the fact that people are so colored by their opinion, that they will ignore treason and sedition, not really caring what happens to the country.

                  I've been beating a drum from the beginning of this subversion of the U.S. system.

                  Worth repeating.

                  Several of y'all do not care about this country, as long as you can stroke the Trump hate.

                  Shame on you.

                  Shame.

                  You've been beating a drum, alright.

                  Which brings me to ask you just what your goal is in participating here. It's been decades, man. Do you really think you're going to win a political argument here? We're all going to be here tomorrow. What's the goal, for us to all agree with you? To push out everyone who doesn't? What is a post like that supposed to accomplish?

                  That of course applies to me just as much as it does anyone else. I should think at this point that winning the politics game should be a ridiculous notion to everyone who's still here after so long a time.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #42

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Travesty:

                  @Jolly said in Travesty:

                  @Jolly said in Travesty:

                  This thread is not really about Trump, other than the fact that people are so colored by their opinion, that they will ignore treason and sedition, not really caring what happens to the country.

                  I've been beating a drum from the beginning of this subversion of the U.S. system.

                  Worth repeating.

                  Several of y'all do not care about this country, as long as you can stroke the Trump hate.

                  Shame on you.

                  Shame.

                  You've been beating a drum, alright.

                  Which brings me to ask you just what your goal is in participating here. It's been decades, man. Do you really think you're going to win a political argument here? We're all going to be here tomorrow. What's the goal, for us to all agree with you? To push out everyone who doesn't? What is a post like that supposed to accomplish?

                  That of course applies to me just as much as it does anyone else. I should think at this point that winning the politics game should be a ridiculous notion to everyone who's still here after so long a time.

                  It's simply the Truth. It goes beyond political affiliation. I find it head-shaking sad that some do not see the importance of the actions.

                  But that's ok, if that's how the game is to be played. As a wise person once told me, all you have to do, is tell me the rules and I'll play to win. These rules let agents of the government subvert and influence the electoral process.

                  What's the next step? A coup d'etat? A sanctioned assasination? You're already a third of the way down the slope, why not slide to the bottom?

                  Lastly, if the group dislikes my views that much, please let me know. I have other places to go.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    xenon
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #43

                    You may think the abuse of a FISA court is treasonous (reasonable position).

                    Other may think mass surveillance is just as abusive in the first place (reasonable position).

                    The treason turtles go allll the way down.

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                    • markM Offline
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                      mark
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #44

                      I don't ever remember telling someone on this board to go fuck themselves.

                      Ever.

                      You seem to do it with impunity. And the fact that you do that, makes me think others of your political ilk think likewise. So that turns me completely off from your politics.

                      That's really the only thing I don't like about you. Your thoughts and opinions about just about everything else have always been respected and welcomed.

                      We all have different views of the world and we are free to express them. But we really shouldn't tell others to go fuck themselves just because our views are polar opposite of each other.

                      That statement will never leave my memory of you.

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                      • CopperC Offline
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                        Copper
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #45

                        And some people were so proud of the fact that we can tell someone to do that now.

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          @Jolly said in Travesty:

                          @Jolly said in Travesty:

                          This thread is not really about Trump, other than the fact that people are so colored by their opinion, that they will ignore treason and sedition, not really caring what happens to the country.

                          I've been beating a drum from the beginning of this subversion of the U.S. system.

                          Worth repeating.

                          Several of y'all do not care about this country, as long as you can stroke the Trump hate.

                          Shame on you.

                          Shame.

                          You've been beating a drum, alright.

                          Which brings me to ask you just what your goal is in participating here. It's been decades, man. Do you really think you're going to win a political argument here? We're all going to be here tomorrow. What's the goal, for us to all agree with you? To push out everyone who doesn't? What is a post like that supposed to accomplish?

                          That of course applies to me just as much as it does anyone else. I should think at this point that winning the politics game should be a ridiculous notion to everyone who's still here after so long a time.

                          CopperC Offline
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                          Copper
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #46

                          @Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.

                          Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                          • markM mark

                            I don't ever remember telling someone on this board to go fuck themselves.

                            Ever.

                            You seem to do it with impunity. And the fact that you do that, makes me think others of your political ilk think likewise. So that turns me completely off from your politics.

                            That's really the only thing I don't like about you. Your thoughts and opinions about just about everything else have always been respected and welcomed.

                            We all have different views of the world and we are free to express them. But we really shouldn't tell others to go fuck themselves just because our views are polar opposite of each other.

                            That statement will never leave my memory of you.

                            Aqua LetiferA Offline
                            Aqua LetiferA Offline
                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                            #47

                            @mark said in Travesty:

                            I don't ever remember telling someone on this board to go fuck themselves.

                            Ever.

                            You seem to do it with impunity. And the fact that you do that, makes me think others of your political ilk think likewise. So that turns me completely off from your politics.

                            That's really the only thing I don't like about you. Your thoughts and opinions about just about everything else have always been respected and welcomed.

                            We all have different views of the world and we are free to express them. But we really shouldn't tell others to go fuck themselves just because our views are polar opposite of each other.

                            That statement will never leave my memory of you.

                            The less personally involved someone is with a group, the easier it is to make avatars out of them and think whatever you want about them.

                            @Jolly I don't want you to leave, man, I'm just saying chill out a bit. (And I'm saying that in no small part because I'm working on that, too.)

                            Please love yourself.

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              @Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #48

                              @Copper said in Travesty:

                              @Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.

                              Keep at it and you and everyone else here is going to be talking with only themselves after awhile.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @Copper said in Travesty:

                                @Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.

                                Keep at it and you and everyone else here is going to be talking with only themselves after awhile.

                                CopperC Offline
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                                Copper
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #49

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Travesty:

                                @Copper said in Travesty:

                                @Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.

                                Keep at it and you and everyone else here is going to be talking with only themselves after awhile.

                                Is that a threat?

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #50

                                  My favorite is when Kathy and WTG come around to accuse everybody here of being stupid and evil, and then pity us for lacking their company.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #51

                                    More of a declaration than an accusation.

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                                    • CopperC Copper

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Travesty:

                                      @Copper said in Travesty:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.

                                      Keep at it and you and everyone else here is going to be talking with only themselves after awhile.

                                      Is that a threat?

                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #52

                                      @Copper said in Travesty:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Travesty:

                                      @Copper said in Travesty:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer Shame is fair.

                                      Keep at it and you and everyone else here is going to be talking with only themselves after awhile.

                                      Is that a threat?

                                      No, not at all. I'm saying we should all cool down.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        If your second point is true it is time to shut down FISA courts entirely.

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                                        xenon
                                        wrote on last edited by xenon
                                        #53

                                        @Mik said in Travesty:

                                        If your second point is true it is time to shut down FISA courts entirely.

                                        Was reading up on this topic. That seems to be exactly the case.

                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/us/politics/fbi-fisa-wiretap-trump.html

                                        An inspector general uncovered pervasive problems in the F.B.I.’s preparation of wiretap applications, according to a memo released Tuesday about an audit that grew out of a damning report last year about errors and omissions in applications to target a former Trump campaign adviser during the Russia investigation..

                                        The follow-up audit of unrelated cases by the Justice Department’s independent watchdog, Michael E. Horowitz, revealed a broader pattern of sloppiness by the F.B.I. in seeking permission to use powerful tools to eavesdrop on American soil in national security cases. It comes at a time when Congress is debating new limits on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA.

                                        The finding of systemic incompetence is devastating for the F.B.I. But in the Trump era, the discovery is leavened by an unusual side benefit for the bureau: It undercuts the narrative fostered by President Trump and his supporters that the botching of applications to surveil his campaign adviser Carter Page is evidence that the F.B.I. engaged in a politically biased conspiracy.

                                        Mr. Horowitz’s investigators reviewed so-called Woods files, where the F.B.I. is supposed to catalog supporting documentation for factual claims in a FISA application, in a random sample of 29 requests to wiretap someone as part of a terrorism or espionage investigation under FISA. They found problems with all 29..

                                        We do not have confidence that the F.B.I. has executed its Woods Procedures in compliance with F.B.I. policy, or that the process is working as it was intended to help achieve the ‘scrupulously accurate’ standard for FISA applications,” the inspector general report said.

                                        Testing the FISA applications against their underlying evidence “identified apparent errors or inadequately supported facts in all of the 25 applications we reviewed,” the report said.

                                        The other four could not be scrutinized at all because the F.B.I. could not even locate the required Woods file. In the 25 applications reviewed, there was an average of about 20 problems each. One alone had 65 issues..

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #54

                                          If it can be abused it will.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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