Inside the Capitol Today
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@jolly said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@mark said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@horace said in Inside the Capitol Today:
There was just no way we as a society could have squelched the BLM riots with force. Pop culture would not have allowed it and the righteous retribution of the nation-wide mobs against any such use of overwhelming law enforcement would have been even greater. Meanwhile, after the group of unarmed doofuses raided the largely unguarded Capitol, pop culture has become engorged with excitement at the prospect of bringing the law enforcement hammer down on any such future attempts. So that's a huge difference. I totally accept use of force to quell doofuses against Capitol invasions. I do not accept our status quo of righteous rioting, about which we can do nothing, whenever a racist cop incident goes viral.
Agreed, but we humans are really bad at creating the proper balance.
Are there no charges being brought up on anyone from the Seattle mess? If not, then that is wrong, and needs to be fixed.
I'm with Aqua on this though.
Our constitution, our very way of life, was attacked on the 6th.
These people need to go to prison for a long time.
Any more attacks on the foundation or pillars of our nation, should be considered an act of war/sedition and defended with deadly force. If they don't die during the attack, lock them up for life.
Any more violence in the streets of our nation should also be met met with deadly force during the incident. Again, those that do not die, are locked up for as long as they can physically pose a threat to anyone. IOW, until they are very very old, or dead.
Protesting is one thing. Committing acts of violence is another. One is legal, one in not. Pretty simple actually.
Our Constitution, our very way if life...Nah, far from it. If it had been Antifa, you might would have had a point, but not with this mob.
What was there overriding grievance? That every legal vote was not counted! That's not a repudiation of our way of life, it actually reaffirms some bedrock principles.
Contrast that with the goals of Antifa or the actions of BLM. BLM is a billion dollar plus organization, with its roots unabashedly growing in communist soil and a large, well-coordinated leadership structure.
Contrast the violence over the past nine or ten months from antifa, the deaths, the assault on property and juxtapose that against a few hours mayhem at the Capitol.
Perspective can bbe enlightening.
Right. If you believe the Election Stealing narrative - then the Capitol rioters were patriots.
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@horace said in Inside the Capitol Today:
I think Trump values our system of government. I think his words would establish that, much more so than the words of his haters. It's unfortunate that the sophomoric "Capitol raid" by the imbeciles who nominally support him (unambiguously disavowed by Trump as of his recent speech) has created so much rhetorical fuel for those who really, really don't value our government.
Well - to be fair, they're wasting that rhetorical capital on arguments about "whiteness"
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@xenon said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@horace said in Inside the Capitol Today:
I think Trump values our system of government. I think his words would establish that, much more so than the words of his haters. It's unfortunate that the sophomoric "Capitol raid" by the imbeciles who nominally support him (unambiguously disavowed by Trump as of his recent speech) has created so much rhetorical fuel for those who really, really don't value our government.
Well - to be fair, they're wasting that rhetorical capital on arguments about "whiteness"
There will be a few, regardless of what one says.
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@jolly said in Inside the Capitol Today:
BLM is a billion dollar plus organization, with its roots unabashedly growing in communist soil and a large, well-coordinated leadership structure.
You make it sound like Cargill or Monsanto. In any case, the question is whether the product can be certified organic for the consumer.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@xenon said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@jolly said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@mark said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@horace said in Inside the Capitol Today:
There was just no way we as a society could have squelched the BLM riots with force. Pop culture would not have allowed it and the righteous retribution of the nation-wide mobs against any such use of overwhelming law enforcement would have been even greater. Meanwhile, after the group of unarmed doofuses raided the largely unguarded Capitol, pop culture has become engorged with excitement at the prospect of bringing the law enforcement hammer down on any such future attempts. So that's a huge difference. I totally accept use of force to quell doofuses against Capitol invasions. I do not accept our status quo of righteous rioting, about which we can do nothing, whenever a racist cop incident goes viral.
Agreed, but we humans are really bad at creating the proper balance.
Are there no charges being brought up on anyone from the Seattle mess? If not, then that is wrong, and needs to be fixed.
I'm with Aqua on this though.
Our constitution, our very way of life, was attacked on the 6th.
These people need to go to prison for a long time.
Any more attacks on the foundation or pillars of our nation, should be considered an act of war/sedition and defended with deadly force. If they don't die during the attack, lock them up for life.
Any more violence in the streets of our nation should also be met met with deadly force during the incident. Again, those that do not die, are locked up for as long as they can physically pose a threat to anyone. IOW, until they are very very old, or dead.
Protesting is one thing. Committing acts of violence is another. One is legal, one in not. Pretty simple actually.
Our Constitution, our very way if life...Nah, far from it. If it had been Antifa, you might would have had a point, but not with this mob.
What was there overriding grievance? That every legal vote was not counted! That's not a repudiation of our way of life, it actually reaffirms some bedrock principles.
Contrast that with the goals of Antifa or the actions of BLM. BLM is a billion dollar plus organization, with its roots unabashedly growing in communist soil and a large, well-coordinated leadership structure.
Contrast the violence over the past nine or ten months from antifa, the deaths, the assault on property and juxtapose that against a few hours mayhem at the Capitol.
Perspective can bbe enlightening.
Right. If you believe the Election Stealing narrative - then the Capitol rioters were patriots.
But either way, were these people trying to overthrow a (in their minds) legal election? No, they weren't.
What would the best remedy they would advocate? A do-over election with a heavy poll-watcher presence and a way to ensure all votes were legally cast.
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@renauda said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@jolly said in Inside the Capitol Today:
BLM is a billion dollar plus organization, with its roots unabashedly growing in communist soil and a large, well-coordinated leadership structure.
You make it sound like Cargill or Monsanto. In any case, the question is whether the product can be certified organic for the consumer.
Nah, the leadership of Cargill or Monsanto doesn't suck up 70% of the budget...
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@xenon said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@jolly said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@mark said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@horace said in Inside the Capitol Today:
There was just no way we as a society could have squelched the BLM riots with force. Pop culture would not have allowed it and the righteous retribution of the nation-wide mobs against any such use of overwhelming law enforcement would have been even greater. Meanwhile, after the group of unarmed doofuses raided the largely unguarded Capitol, pop culture has become engorged with excitement at the prospect of bringing the law enforcement hammer down on any such future attempts. So that's a huge difference. I totally accept use of force to quell doofuses against Capitol invasions. I do not accept our status quo of righteous rioting, about which we can do nothing, whenever a racist cop incident goes viral.
Agreed, but we humans are really bad at creating the proper balance.
Are there no charges being brought up on anyone from the Seattle mess? If not, then that is wrong, and needs to be fixed.
I'm with Aqua on this though.
Our constitution, our very way of life, was attacked on the 6th.
These people need to go to prison for a long time.
Any more attacks on the foundation or pillars of our nation, should be considered an act of war/sedition and defended with deadly force. If they don't die during the attack, lock them up for life.
Any more violence in the streets of our nation should also be met met with deadly force during the incident. Again, those that do not die, are locked up for as long as they can physically pose a threat to anyone. IOW, until they are very very old, or dead.
Protesting is one thing. Committing acts of violence is another. One is legal, one in not. Pretty simple actually.
Our Constitution, our very way if life...Nah, far from it. If it had been Antifa, you might would have had a point, but not with this mob.
What was there overriding grievance? That every legal vote was not counted! That's not a repudiation of our way of life, it actually reaffirms some bedrock principles.
Contrast that with the goals of Antifa or the actions of BLM. BLM is a billion dollar plus organization, with its roots unabashedly growing in communist soil and a large, well-coordinated leadership structure.
Contrast the violence over the past nine or ten months from antifa, the deaths, the assault on property and juxtapose that against a few hours mayhem at the Capitol.
Perspective can bbe enlightening.
Right. If you believe the Election Stealing narrative - then the Capitol rioters were patriots.
This is where the House really fvcked up. If they had spent yesterday and today as a hearing on how Trump criminally mislead the voters of the US regarding voter fraud, then brought up each and every one of his claims, dispationately disproved those claims, and showed that Trump and his team had to know they were false then we would be having a WHOLE different discussion today.
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@lufins-dad said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@xenon said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@jolly said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@mark said in Inside the Capitol Today:
@horace said in Inside the Capitol Today:
There was just no way we as a society could have squelched the BLM riots with force. Pop culture would not have allowed it and the righteous retribution of the nation-wide mobs against any such use of overwhelming law enforcement would have been even greater. Meanwhile, after the group of unarmed doofuses raided the largely unguarded Capitol, pop culture has become engorged with excitement at the prospect of bringing the law enforcement hammer down on any such future attempts. So that's a huge difference. I totally accept use of force to quell doofuses against Capitol invasions. I do not accept our status quo of righteous rioting, about which we can do nothing, whenever a racist cop incident goes viral.
Agreed, but we humans are really bad at creating the proper balance.
Are there no charges being brought up on anyone from the Seattle mess? If not, then that is wrong, and needs to be fixed.
I'm with Aqua on this though.
Our constitution, our very way of life, was attacked on the 6th.
These people need to go to prison for a long time.
Any more attacks on the foundation or pillars of our nation, should be considered an act of war/sedition and defended with deadly force. If they don't die during the attack, lock them up for life.
Any more violence in the streets of our nation should also be met met with deadly force during the incident. Again, those that do not die, are locked up for as long as they can physically pose a threat to anyone. IOW, until they are very very old, or dead.
Protesting is one thing. Committing acts of violence is another. One is legal, one in not. Pretty simple actually.
Our Constitution, our very way if life...Nah, far from it. If it had been Antifa, you might would have had a point, but not with this mob.
What was there overriding grievance? That every legal vote was not counted! That's not a repudiation of our way of life, it actually reaffirms some bedrock principles.
Contrast that with the goals of Antifa or the actions of BLM. BLM is a billion dollar plus organization, with its roots unabashedly growing in communist soil and a large, well-coordinated leadership structure.
Contrast the violence over the past nine or ten months from antifa, the deaths, the assault on property and juxtapose that against a few hours mayhem at the Capitol.
Perspective can bbe enlightening.
Right. If you believe the Election Stealing narrative - then the Capitol rioters were patriots.
This is where the House really fvcked up. If they had spent yesterday and today as a hearing on how Trump criminally mislead the voters of the US regarding voter fraud, then brought up each and every one of his claims, dispationately disproved those claims, and showed that Trump and his team had to know they were false then we would be having a WHOLE different discussion today.
The House knows every bit of that.
Dispassionate doesn't get them where they want to go.
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@jolly said in Inside the Capitol Today:
What was there overriding grievance? That every legal vote was not counted!
Do you really think that?
In some reason, we are a bit "spoiled" due to the conversations we have on this forum board. I think that pretty much every body on here is well informed on things and probably has a better understanding of US and world events than the average person.
Take for example the guy with the horns on his head. This maybe stereotype, but do you really think he had done a bunch of research on this election, did a deep inspection on the various states, looked at the court cases, analyzed voter patterns, etc etc etc etc
Or, did he probably get he news and information from a friend (or maybe President Trump) that told him the election was stolen and there were MILLIONS of illegal votes voted?
I think we (general we) give too much credit that the mob that invaded the Capital was a well educated and informed group of people.
(Of course, the same can be said for the majority of the "left" protests and rioters from this summer)
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@xenon said in Inside the Capitol Today:
I've heard military people get very used to sleeping on the floor and often need extra firm mattresses in civilian life.
Looking at these troops I wonder how many are bored to tears and would rather be out in the wind, rain and mud. Not sure how long I could sit there. I’m sure the internet helps. Before the internet a day of sitting in a room waiting to see if I was selected for jury duty was sheer torture and that was 8 hours at most.
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Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer Wow!!!
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@Aqua-Letifer that’s bananas. They’re also shutting down all bridges across the river other than the American Legion and Wilson (far edges of the beltway).
To say this is overkill is an understatement but I get it. Trump fired these treasonous folks up and the government is preparing in kind.
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We are providing the piano for John Legend and a few of the other acts performing at the Lincoln Memorial at the inauguration. This is shutting our delivery and service departments down for three days. We are charging what would seem to be an obscene amount for a one day rental, but it’s resulting in us having 5 guys put up in a DC hotel for 3 days, go through multiple COVID tests, and it’s taking away 15% of our January delivery and service opportunities...
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@lufins-dad said in Inside the Capitol Today:
We are providing the piano for John Legend and a few of the other acts performing at the Lincoln Memorial at the inauguration. This is shutting our delivery and service departments down for three days. We are charging what would seem to be an obscene amount for a one day rental, but it’s resulting in us having 5 guys put up in a DC hotel for 3 days, go through multiple COVID tests, and it’s taking away 15% of our January delivery and service opportunities...
That is so cool and thanks for sharing what goes into this.
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@lufins-dad very cool!
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