Pence and Trump Finally Speak
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There’s a big distinction between thinking that lax voting laws in some states leads to cases of voter fraud and that a landslide election was somehow stolen by the other side.
The former is reasonable, the later is fantastical (especially with a complete dearth of evidence)
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There’s a big distinction between thinking that lax voting laws in some states leads to cases of voter fraud and that a landslide election was somehow stolen by the other side.
The former is reasonable, the later is fantastical (especially with a complete dearth of evidence)
@xenon said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
a landslide election was somehow stolen by the other side.
It is what is known as the big lie.
A technique used by Adolf Hitler. His lies were so huge, nobody would believe they could be completely false.
When you steal an election, you don't do it by a hundred votes, you do it by millions.
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We have already addressed this. A different perception of events is not the same as a fantasy.
@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
We have already addressed this. A different perception of events is not the same as a fantasy.
What evidence exists that shows "the steal" is a reasonable perception of reality?
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Many people have told me not millions but billions, actually trillions... trillions of people voted for me. Believe me. It's what I'm hearing. That's what I'm told.
@89th said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
Many people have told me not millions but billions, actually trillions... trillions of people voted for me. Believe me. It's what I'm hearing. That's what I'm told.
Well I hate the libs so that's good enough for me.
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We have already addressed this. A different perception of events is not the same as a fantasy.
@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
We have already addressed this. A different perception of events is not the same as a fantasy.
Holocaust denialism is a different perception of events.
Fake moon landing conspiracy theory is a different perception of events.
9/11 false flag conspiracy theory is a different perception of events.
Birtherism is a different perception of events.Just because it’s a different perception of events also does not mean it cannot be a fantasy.
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@xenon said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
a landslide election was somehow stolen by the other side.
It is what is known as the big lie.
A technique used by Adolf Hitler. His lies were so huge, nobody would believe they could be completely false.
When you steal an election, you don't do it by a hundred votes, you do it by millions.
@copper said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
@xenon said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
a landslide election was somehow stolen by the other side.
It is what is known as the big lie.
A technique used by Adolf Hitler. His lies were so huge, nobody would believe they could be completely false.
When you steal an election, you don't do it by a hundred votes, you do it by millions.
Way to go full Godwin!
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@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
What does that have to do with anything?
You don't get to call people who do not support your perception of the President as being deranged, and then, when you support a position with no apparent basis in fact, say "my perception is just as valid as everybody else's".
I was only joking
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@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
What does that have to do with anything?
You don't get to call people who do not support your perception of the President as being deranged, and then, when you support a position with no apparent basis in fact, say "my perception is just as valid as everybody else's".
@doctor-phibes said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
What does that have to do with anything?
You don't get to call people who do not support your perception of the President as being deranged, and then, when you support a position with no apparent basis in fact, say "my perception is just as valid as everybody else's".
Assuming everybody else is deranged, as stated, what is the problem?
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@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
What does that have to do with anything?
You don't get to call people who do not support your perception of the President as being deranged, and then, when you support a position with no apparent basis in fact, say "my perception is just as valid as everybody else's".
@doctor-phibes said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
What does that have to do with anything?
You don't get to call people who do not support your perception of the President as being deranged, and then, when you support a position with no apparent basis in fact, say "my perception is just as valid as everybody else's".
When did I say I thought everyone who does not share my same perception was deranged? There are people whose pathological hatred of the man is pretty far out there and TDS is a real thing, but I have never said YOU were deranged.
Well, not in that particular way, anyway.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@copper said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
Yes, there are people who think Mr. Trump encouraged violence.
Crazy.
It's more like -he convinced people their democracy was stolen from them, then those people got violently angry.
I think this was a lot easier to dismiss when Trump was still in the realm of being a doofus, who didn't really mean it ("look at what he does, not what he says")
Remember, it was TDS to believe that he wouldn't concede the election or go through with the transfer of power like a regular President.
Imagine someone said a year ago "he's going to send a large crowd to the capitol during the day of the election certification to pressure the vice president to overturn electoral college votes"
You don't even need violence for that to be a crazy sentence.
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@copper said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
Yes, there are people who think Mr. Trump encouraged violence.
Crazy.
It's more like -he convinced people their democracy was stolen from them, then those people got violently angry.
I think this was a lot easier to dismiss when Trump was still in the realm of being a doofus, who didn't really mean it ("look at what he does, not what he says")
Remember, it was TDS to believe that he wouldn't concede the election or go through with the transfer of power like a regular President.
Imagine someone said a year ago "he's going to send a large crowd to the capitol during the day of the election certification to pressure the vice president to overturn electoral college votes"
You don't even need violence for that to be a crazy sentence.
@xenon said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
@copper said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
Yes, there are people who think Mr. Trump encouraged violence.
Crazy.
It's more like -he convinced people their democracy was stolen from them, then those people got violently angry.
I think this was a lot easier to dismiss when Trump was still in the realm of being a doofus, who didn't really mean it ("look at what he does, not what he says")
Remember, it was TDS to believe that he wouldn't concede the election or go through with the transfer of power like a regular President.
Imagine someone said a year ago "he's going to send a large crowd to the capitol during the day of the election certification to pressure the vice president to overturn electoral college votes"
You don't even need violence for that to be a crazy sentence.
He didn't send the crowd to do violence. I've read the speech. I've watched the speech. Nowhere in there, did he even rise to the Maxine Waters level of idiocy.
Unless you're a dog, straining, and I mean straining, to hear commands. The vast, vast majority of people headed for the restroom or their hotel room, not storming the Capitol. That was left up to a minority of idiots.
You're welcome to your own opinion, you're not welcome to your own facts.
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@xenon said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
@copper said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
Yes, there are people who think Mr. Trump encouraged violence.
Crazy.
It's more like -he convinced people their democracy was stolen from them, then those people got violently angry.
I think this was a lot easier to dismiss when Trump was still in the realm of being a doofus, who didn't really mean it ("look at what he does, not what he says")
Remember, it was TDS to believe that he wouldn't concede the election or go through with the transfer of power like a regular President.
Imagine someone said a year ago "he's going to send a large crowd to the capitol during the day of the election certification to pressure the vice president to overturn electoral college votes"
You don't even need violence for that to be a crazy sentence.
He didn't send the crowd to do violence. I've read the speech. I've watched the speech. Nowhere in there, did he even rise to the Maxine Waters level of idiocy.
Unless you're a dog, straining, and I mean straining, to hear commands. The vast, vast majority of people headed for the restroom or their hotel room, not storming the Capitol. That was left up to a minority of idiots.
You're welcome to your own opinion, you're not welcome to your own facts.
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@doctor-phibes said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
What does that have to do with anything?
You don't get to call people who do not support your perception of the President as being deranged, and then, when you support a position with no apparent basis in fact, say "my perception is just as valid as everybody else's".
When did I say I thought everyone who does not share my same perception was deranged? There are people whose pathological hatred of the man is pretty far out there and TDS is a real thing, but I have never said YOU were deranged.
Well, not in that particular way, anyway.
@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
@doctor-phibes said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
@mik said in Pence and Trump Finally Speak:
What does that have to do with anything?
You don't get to call people who do not support your perception of the President as being deranged, and then, when you support a position with no apparent basis in fact, say "my perception is just as valid as everybody else's".
When did I say I thought everyone who does not share my same perception was deranged? There are people whose pathological hatred of the man is pretty far out there and TDS is a real thing, but I have never said YOU were deranged.
Well, not in that particular way, anyway.
When I said 'you' I didn't mean you as an individual, but the people in general who say that those of us who can't abide the guy are deranged.
