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  • George KG George K

    @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

    This is what the process is, this is how you determine the legality of his actions. I think that's what needs to happen.

    What process? Please tell us about what evidence was presented, what direct and cross examination occurred. This is an indictment, not a conviction. as Jon points out. If you're going to go into legality, rather than politics, well, that's a much higher bar.

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    Aqua Letifer
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    @george-k said in Impeach!:

    What process?

    Impeachment, then the hearings. Literally what you're seeing on TV today. You're saying they didn't follow procedure? Where? What step did they skip?

    Please love yourself.

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      So.. they need 2/3, do they not? What happens if they fail...again?

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Horace
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        #123

        I would like to queue up two impeachments for Biden and Harris.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • MikM Mik

          So.. they need 2/3, do they not? What happens if they fail...again?

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          xenon
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          #124

          @mik said in Impeach!:

          So.. they need 2/3, do they not? What happens if they fail...again?

          There's not enough time to do a trial in one week. Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.

          The senate is only allowed to remove an "incumbent President"

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            #125

            @xenon said in Impeach!:

            Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.

            Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • MikM Mik

              So.. they need 2/3, do they not? What happens if they fail...again?

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              #126

              @mik said in Impeach!:

              So.. they need 2/3, do they not? What happens if they fail...again?

              I'd be okay with it. And I think with him gone, most others would accept that, too.

              Please love yourself.

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                jon-nyc
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                #127

                I think, in practice, whether there's a trial or not will depend on what comes out of the FBI/DOJ investigation.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @xenon said in Impeach!:

                  Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.

                  Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.

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                  #128

                  @jon-nyc said in Impeach!:

                  @xenon said in Impeach!:

                  Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.

                  Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.

                  And then there would be a constitutional issue. No one knows if you can do that to an ex-President. That could take another 100 days. And there you have it folks Trump dominating a Biden Presidemcy. Sound like people rather fight than govern.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @xenon said in Impeach!:

                    Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.

                    Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.

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                    xenon
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                    #129

                    @jon-nyc I think you're right. I thought it was more cut and dried than it is. But it's still a murky constitutional question.

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                      #130

                      Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters. They rarely admit anything. There's a lingo. "We had a 'conversation' with him." "I ran an auto parts business." "A couple of friends of mine had a 'talk' with him and then he changed his mind."

                      No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.

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                      • L Loki

                        @jon-nyc said in Impeach!:

                        @xenon said in Impeach!:

                        Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.

                        Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.

                        And then there would be a constitutional issue. No one knows if you can do that to an ex-President. That could take another 100 days. And there you have it folks Trump dominating a Biden Presidemcy. Sound like people rather fight than govern.

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                        #131

                        @loki said in Impeach!:

                        And then there would be a constitutional issue. No one knows if you can do that to an ex-President. That could take another 100 days. And there you have it folks Trump dominating a Biden Presidemcy. Sound like people rather fight than govern.

                        Well, the Senate can just do it. Trump could go to court to try to invalidate it but its not like he can stop them.

                        But I think in practice Biden will make the call whether he wants to deal with the distraction. And that will really depend on what they find in the investigation. I suspect he won't opt for the distraction if it's going to result in another acquittal. Which means most likely, no trial. Again IMO.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          @george-k said in Impeach!:

                          What process?

                          Impeachment, then the hearings. Literally what you're seeing on TV today. You're saying they didn't follow procedure? Where? What step did they skip?

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                          @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                          What step did they skip?

                          Examining evidence.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                            What step did they skip?

                            Examining evidence.

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                            #133

                            @george-k said in Impeach!:

                            @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                            What step did they skip?

                            Examining evidence.

                            So you're telling me they didn't examine evidence, or are you saying that you don't like the way they did?

                            Please love yourself.

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                            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                              @george-k said in Impeach!:

                              @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                              What step did they skip?

                              Examining evidence.

                              So you're telling me they didn't examine evidence, or are you saying that you don't like the way they did?

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                              George K
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                              #134

                              @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                              they didn't examine evidence

                              Exactly. The rush to judgment was so frenzied that they didn't wait for the actual facts to be brought to evidence.

                              He was impeached early this afternoon.

                              Sperry tweeted this an hour ago.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • kluursK kluurs

                                Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters. They rarely admit anything. There's a lingo. "We had a 'conversation' with him." "I ran an auto parts business." "A couple of friends of mine had a 'talk' with him and then he changed his mind."

                                No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #135

                                @kluurs said in Impeach!:

                                Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters.

                                Maybe. But I've watched Goodfellas.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                                  they didn't examine evidence

                                  Exactly. The rush to judgment was so frenzied that they didn't wait for the actual facts to be brought to evidence.

                                  He was impeached early this afternoon.

                                  Sperry tweeted this an hour ago.

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                                  @george-k said in Impeach!:

                                  impeached

                                  He was basically indicted on charges that will now be investigated to see if they hold up. I don't really see what the problem is here.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    @xenon said in Impeach!:

                                    Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.

                                    Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Impeach!:

                                    @xenon said in Impeach!:

                                    Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.

                                    Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.

                                    And it started before his term

                                    So we have the answer

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                                    • kluursK kluurs

                                      Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters. They rarely admit anything. There's a lingo. "We had a 'conversation' with him." "I ran an auto parts business." "A couple of friends of mine had a 'talk' with him and then he changed his mind."

                                      No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.

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                                      @kluurs said in Impeach!:

                                      Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters. They rarely admit anything. There's a lingo. "We had a 'conversation' with him." "I ran an auto parts business." "A couple of friends of mine had a 'talk' with him and then he changed his mind."

                                      No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.

                                      I have not dealt with Chicago or NY guys, but I have with those in a couple other cities and 1% er bikers. Explicit language is not their way. Can’t say I had dinner with them

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                        @george-k said in Impeach!:

                                        impeached

                                        He was basically indicted on charges that will now be investigated to see if they hold up. I don't really see what the problem is here.

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                                        George K
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                                        @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                                        He was basically indicted on charges that will now be investigated

                                        A grand jury is convened, agrees that a crime has been committed, and evidence points that a trial should occur. Within hours, evidence comes forward that their decision was based on incorrect evidence.

                                        What should be the course of action?

                                        "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead?"

                                        or...

                                        "Er...."

                                        It was 5 business days between the events that led to his impeachment and the revelation of evidence that's potentially exculpatory. And remember this is the FBI investigating; you know how fast they can be.

                                        You're OK with that?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • kluursK kluurs

                                          Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters. They rarely admit anything. There's a lingo. "We had a 'conversation' with him." "I ran an auto parts business." "A couple of friends of mine had a 'talk' with him and then he changed his mind."

                                          No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #140

                                          @kluurs said in Impeach!:

                                          No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.

                                          "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

                                          Lois Lerner smiled at that.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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