Impeach!
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I'm glad that the (2nd) greatest deliberative body in the world took two hours to discuss this!
ETA: I'm not saying it was, or was not, justified. However, the rushed push for impeachment, with no discussion, no evidence, etc reeks of nothing but partisanship and hatred.
What, other than preventing the unlikely possibility of him holding federal office again (and, c'mon, how likely was that?) what is the point of this exercise other than being a demonstration of a temper tantrum?
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@aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:
This is what the process is, this is how you determine the legality of his actions. I think that's what needs to happen.
What process? Please tell us about what evidence was presented, what direct and cross examination occurred. This is an indictment, not a conviction. as Jon points out. If you're going to go into legality, rather than politics, well, that's a much higher bar.
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So.. they need 2/3, do they not? What happens if they fail...again?
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.
Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.
Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.
And then there would be a constitutional issue. No one knows if you can do that to an ex-President. That could take another 100 days. And there you have it folks Trump dominating a Biden Presidemcy. Sound like people rather fight than govern.
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Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters. They rarely admit anything. There's a lingo. "We had a 'conversation' with him." "I ran an auto parts business." "A couple of friends of mine had a 'talk' with him and then he changed his mind."
No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.
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Constitutionally it can't spill over outside of this term.
Good luck finding that in the constitution. The current plan is to take up the trial in about three months.
And then there would be a constitutional issue. No one knows if you can do that to an ex-President. That could take another 100 days. And there you have it folks Trump dominating a Biden Presidemcy. Sound like people rather fight than govern.
And then there would be a constitutional issue. No one knows if you can do that to an ex-President. That could take another 100 days. And there you have it folks Trump dominating a Biden Presidemcy. Sound like people rather fight than govern.
Well, the Senate can just do it. Trump could go to court to try to invalidate it but its not like he can stop them.
But I think in practice Biden will make the call whether he wants to deal with the distraction. And that will really depend on what they find in the investigation. I suspect he won't opt for the distraction if it's going to result in another acquittal. Which means most likely, no trial. Again IMO.
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@aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:
What step did they skip?
Examining evidence.
So you're telling me they didn't examine evidence, or are you saying that you don't like the way they did?
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@aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:
What step did they skip?
Examining evidence.
So you're telling me they didn't examine evidence, or are you saying that you don't like the way they did?
@aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:
they didn't examine evidence
Exactly. The rush to judgment was so frenzied that they didn't wait for the actual facts to be brought to evidence.
He was impeached early this afternoon.
Sperry tweeted this an hour ago.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters. They rarely admit anything. There's a lingo. "We had a 'conversation' with him." "I ran an auto parts business." "A couple of friends of mine had a 'talk' with him and then he changed his mind."
No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.
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@aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:
they didn't examine evidence
Exactly. The rush to judgment was so frenzied that they didn't wait for the actual facts to be brought to evidence.
He was impeached early this afternoon.
Sperry tweeted this an hour ago.
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Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters. They rarely admit anything. There's a lingo. "We had a 'conversation' with him." "I ran an auto parts business." "A couple of friends of mine had a 'talk' with him and then he changed his mind."
No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.
Maybe I'm the only person who has spoken with and had dinner with actual mobsters. They rarely admit anything. There's a lingo. "We had a 'conversation' with him." "I ran an auto parts business." "A couple of friends of mine had a 'talk' with him and then he changed his mind."
No question that Trump conveys what he wants - but is careful in the words he used.
I have not dealt with Chicago or NY guys, but I have with those in a couple other cities and 1% er bikers. Explicit language is not their way. Can’t say I had dinner with them
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@aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:
He was basically indicted on charges that will now be investigated
A grand jury is convened, agrees that a crime has been committed, and evidence points that a trial should occur. Within hours, evidence comes forward that their decision was based on incorrect evidence.
What should be the course of action?
"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead?"
or...
"Er...."
It was 5 business days between the events that led to his impeachment and the revelation of evidence that's potentially exculpatory. And remember this is the FBI investigating; you know how fast they can be.
You're OK with that?
