What the hell were they thinking?
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Don’t even want to think about what might have happened if they’d found any of the people they were looking for. Insanity.
wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:21 last edited by@jodi said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Don’t even want to think about what might have happened if they’d found any of the people they were looking for. Insanity.
Yeah mob mentality, no telling what one person could have sparked if AOC was cornered. We already saw what they did to a couple of police officers.
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wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:22 last edited by
I think some were fairly organized - some a little organized - but most were just following the crowd.
Mobs aren't terribly good at planning - good at destruction and desecration - seemed like a great idea at the time. "We'll show them!"
In the past year, we've seen mob action from the left and right. Apologists for either share the shame. I can't even distinguish between the amount of anger I felt for each as it was kind of pinning the needle in both cases. Whatever point the "peaceful protesters" wanted to make was largely erased by the not so peaceful protesters.
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wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:29 last edited by jon-nyc
I think we’re going to learn a lot in the next week or two.
The US Attorney basically told us we’d be shocked. He said what we’ve seen so far are the idiots from social media get arrested. But he said the guys doing the most serious stuff weren’t live streaming it. He said there will be serious charges - “charges that carry 10, 20 year prison sentences”.
McConnell seems to have changed his mind on impeachment in the last 24 hours. He gets the highest level briefings in what they’ve uncovered.
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wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:29 last edited by
And this could have been so much worse had they gotten Pence, Pelosi or other members...held them hostage or killed them. Had that happened...
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I think some were fairly organized - some a little organized - but most were just following the crowd.
Mobs aren't terribly good at planning - good at destruction and desecration - seemed like a great idea at the time. "We'll show them!"
In the past year, we've seen mob action from the left and right. Apologists for either share the shame. I can't even distinguish between the amount of anger I felt for each as it was kind of pinning the needle in both cases. Whatever point the "peaceful protesters" wanted to make was largely erased by the not so peaceful protesters.
wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:34 last edited by@kluurs said in What the hell were they thinking?:
I think some were fairly organized - some a little organized - but most were just following the crowd.
I remember people arguing about how to characterize the protesters/rioters in the summer. What I said then hold here too:
I don’t quite understand what the above disagreement is. Does anyone really doubt that the demonstrations are a mix of peaceful protestors, opportunistic proto-criminals, and malevolent ideologues?
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wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:38 last edited by
Regarding that US Attorney, CNN has a 3m excerpt of his press conference. (Easy to find the whole thing online but it was a half hour)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/12/fbi-briefing-capitol-riot-sedition-charges-vpx.cnn
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I think we’re going to learn a lot in the next week or two.
The US Attorney basically told us we’d be shocked. He said what we’ve seen so far are the idiots from social media get arrested. But he said the guys doing the most serious stuff weren’t live streaming it. He said there will be serious charges - “charges that carry 10, 20 year prison sentences”.
McConnell seems to have changed his mind on impeachment in the last 24 hours. He gets the highest level briefings in what they’ve uncovered.
wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:40 last edited by@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
I think we’re going to learn a lot in the next week or two.
The US Attorney basically told us we’d be shocked. He said what we’ve seen so far are the idiots from social media get arrested. But he said the guys doing the most serious stuff weren’t live streaming it. He said there will be serious charges - “charges that carry 10, 20 year prison sentences”.
McConnell seems to have changed his mind on impeachment in the last 24 hours. He gets the highest level briefings in what they’ve uncovered.
We can only react to what is known and we have come to rely on live reporting as it’s usually representational. Big miss especially as we would expect from the media it to be overdone if anything.
Bowser asking for no national guard and the FBI keep their intelligence a secret are going t o be very relevant to what went wrong.
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@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
I think we’re going to learn a lot in the next week or two.
The US Attorney basically told us we’d be shocked. He said what we’ve seen so far are the idiots from social media get arrested. But he said the guys doing the most serious stuff weren’t live streaming it. He said there will be serious charges - “charges that carry 10, 20 year prison sentences”.
McConnell seems to have changed his mind on impeachment in the last 24 hours. He gets the highest level briefings in what they’ve uncovered.
We can only react to what is known and we have come to rely on live reporting as it’s usually representational. Big miss especially as we would expect from the media it to be overdone if anything.
Bowser asking for no national guard and the FBI keep their intelligence a secret are going t o be very relevant to what went wrong.
wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:41 last edited by@loki said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Bowser asking for no national guard
Really? I didn't see that.
(legal question)
DC, being "not a state"...does the mayor have standing to call in the national guard?
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wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:43 last edited by
Thinking?
I don't think most of them were thinking at all...
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@loki said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Bowser asking for no national guard
Really? I didn't see that.
(legal question)
DC, being "not a state"...does the mayor have standing to call in the national guard?
wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:48 last edited by@george-k said in What the hell were they thinking?:
DC, being "not a state"...does the mayor have standing to call in the national guard?
No, Sec Def does.
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wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:55 last edited by jon-nyc
Here's an excerpt from the US Attorney for DC's presser yesterday:
So again, I just want to clarify that the initial charges were filing, some of these misdemeanors, these are only the beginning, this is not the end. So what are we looking at downstream here? So in terms of what we’re looking at is the initial charges’ everyone’s familiar with. The zip tie guy, the Munchels and the [inaudible 00:11:21] that were arrested on the house floor with zip ties, rifling through the house floor. People are familiar with online, they see the Barnett’s and Johnson’s, who were literally rifling through Pelosi’s office and stealing items, stealing materials, mail, and sometimes even personal momentos. So those are the cases, the public’s familiar with. They’re familiar with those cases because of social media, but what the public isn’t familiar with is that the FBI working with the U.S. attorney’s offices across the country and the crux of those being in DC, we’re looking at significant felony cases tied to sedition and conspiracy. Just yesterday, our office organized a strike force of very senior national security prosecutors and public corruption prosecutors, their only marching orders from me are to build, seditious and conspiracy charges related to the most heinous acts that occurred in the Capitol. These are significant charges that have felonies with prison terms of up to 20 years.
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@loki said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Bowser asking for no national guard
Really? I didn't see that.
(legal question)
DC, being "not a state"...does the mayor have standing to call in the national guard?
wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 00:00 last edited by@george-k said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@loki said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Bowser asking for no national guard
Really? I didn't see that.
(legal question)
DC, being "not a state"...does the mayor have standing to call in the national guard?
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wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 01:09 last edited by
@jolly said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Thinking?
I don't think most of them were thinking at all...
Yup. There’s no possible positive endgame.
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@jolly said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Thinking?
I don't think most of them were thinking at all...
Yup. There’s no possible positive endgame.
wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 01:11 last edited by@mik said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jolly said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Thinking?
I don't think most of them were thinking at all...
Yup. There’s no possible positive endgame.
I agree, but that's just the idiots on social. Let's see what the investigation comes out with.
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wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 01:13 last edited by xenon
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
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@jolly said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Thinking?
I don't think most of them were thinking at all...
Yup. There’s no possible positive endgame.
wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 03:06 last edited by@mik said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jolly said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Thinking?
I don't think most of them were thinking at all...
Yup. There’s no possible positive endgame.
YEs, mobs do weird things. A friend of a friend of a friend, etc. knows the CEO from Chicago who got fired. He said that he is a normal guy. Level head, never extreme, etc Was complete shocked when he found out the guy was there.
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The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 03:38 last edited by@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
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@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 03:41 last edited by xenon@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
Ok, so what’s your best take of what the people invading the Capitol were thinking?
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@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
Ok, so what’s your best take of what the people invading the Capitol were thinking?
wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 03:42 last edited by@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
Ok, so what’s your best take of what the people invading the Capitol were thinking?
They might have been thinking their dog was telling them to kill the stripper. It doesn’t make the dog responsible.
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@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
Ok, so what’s your best take of what the people invading the Capitol were thinking?
They might have been thinking their dog was telling them to kill the stripper. It doesn’t make the dog responsible.
wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 03:45 last edited by@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
Ok, so what’s your best take of what the people invading the Capitol were thinking?
They might have been thinking their dog was telling them to kill the stripper. It doesn’t make the dog responsible.
That wasn’t the question in the thread.