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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    From the halcyon days of 2018:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/government-drops-charges-against-all-inauguration-protesters-n889531

    Federal prosecutors on Friday moved to drop charges against the last 39 people accused of participating in a violent protest on the day of President Donald Trump's inauguration.

    The motion to dismiss charges by the U.S. attorney's office seemingly ends an 18-month saga that started with the Justice Department attempting to convict more than 190 people.

    That effort saw the government facing off against an intensely coordinated grassroots political opposition network that made Washington the focus of a nationwide support campaign — offering free lodging for defendants, legal coordination and other support.

    Members of that activist network were declaring victory on Friday.

    "This is huge news," said Dylan Petrohilos, a Washington-based activist who was one of the original defendants, but had his charges dropped earlier this year. "The solidarity we showed as defendants won out."

    More than 200 people were arrested after the protest, during which several store windows were broken and a parked limo set ablaze. Two group trials ended in defeats for the U.S. Attorney's Office, which was hindered by the fact that most protesters wore similar black clothing and covered their faces.

    Link to video

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #2

      How many of them assaulted a federal building containing the Vice President, Speaker of the House, and every member of both houses of Congress? How many federal officers did they beat to death? How much government property did they steal or destroy?

      I find the whattaboutism even weaker than usual.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        How many of them assaulted a federal building containing the Vice President, Speaker of the House, and every member of both houses of Congress? How many federal officers did they beat to death? How much government property did they steal or destroy?

        I find the whattaboutism even weaker than usual.

        HoraceH Online
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        Horace
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        #3

        @jon-nyc said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

        How many of them assaulted a federal building containing the Vice President, Speaker of the House, and every member of both houses of Congress? How many federal officers did they beat to death? How much government property did they steal or destroy?

        I find the whattaboutism even weaker than usual.

        Well yes but you would. Even you must look back over your life and find the lust for winning, right?

        Education is extremely important.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          How many of them assaulted a federal building containing the Vice President, Speaker of the House, and every member of both houses of Congress? How many federal officers did they beat to death? How much government property did they steal or destroy?

          I find the whattaboutism even weaker than usual.

          JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          @jon-nyc said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

          How many of them assaulted a federal building containing the Vice President, Speaker of the House, and every member of both houses of Congress? How many federal officers did they beat to death? How much government property did they steal or destroy?

          I find the whattaboutism even weaker than usual.

          I'm sorry. I forgot that some animals are more equal than others.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
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            #5

            I kind of agree with @jon-nyc on this.

            Yes, some crimes are more equal than others.

            For example, I think that any killing of a police officer in many states is eligible for the death penalty. But the same crime if it happened to an ordinary citizen would not be.

            So, a assault on the US capital where the #2 and #3 people in the US were at does seems a bit more serious than breaking the window of the local 7-11 store.

            It may not seem fair, but that is the reality of the situation.

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              I kind of agree with @jon-nyc on this.

              Yes, some crimes are more equal than others.

              For example, I think that any killing of a police officer in many states is eligible for the death penalty. But the same crime if it happened to an ordinary citizen would not be.

              So, a assault on the US capital where the #2 and #3 people in the US were at does seems a bit more serious than breaking the window of the local 7-11 store.

              It may not seem fair, but that is the reality of the situation.

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              Horace
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              @taiwan_girl said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

              I kind of agree with @jon-nyc on this.

              Yes this is not the first time @jon-nyc has relied on the women for his identity.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                I kind of agree with @jon-nyc on this.

                Yes, some crimes are more equal than others.

                For example, I think that any killing of a police officer in many states is eligible for the death penalty. But the same crime if it happened to an ordinary citizen would not be.

                So, a assault on the US capital where the #2 and #3 people in the US were at does seems a bit more serious than breaking the window of the local 7-11 store.

                It may not seem fair, but that is the reality of the situation.

                HoraceH Online
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by Horace
                #7

                @taiwan_girl said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

                I kind of agree with @jon-nyc on this.

                Yes, some crimes are more equal than others.

                For example, I think that any killing of a police officer in many states is eligible for the death penalty. But the same crime if it happened to an ordinary citizen would not be.

                So, a assault on the US capital where the #2 and #3 people in the US were at does seems a bit more serious than breaking the window of the local 7-11 store.

                It may not seem fair, but that is the reality of the situation.

                By the way, it's police officers you're supposed to be caring about. Not the POTUS or lessers in the chain of command

                Education is extremely important.

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  I kind of agree with @jon-nyc on this.

                  Yes, some crimes are more equal than others.

                  For example, I think that any killing of a police officer in many states is eligible for the death penalty. But the same crime if it happened to an ordinary citizen would not be.

                  So, a assault on the US capital where the #2 and #3 people in the US were at does seems a bit more serious than breaking the window of the local 7-11 store.

                  It may not seem fair, but that is the reality of the situation.

                  CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  @taiwan_girl said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

                  For example, I think that any killing of a police officer in many states is eligible for the death penalty. But the same crime if it happened to an ordinary citizen would not be.

                  With the democrats in charge we won't have to worry about police.

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    @taiwan_girl said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

                    I kind of agree with @jon-nyc on this.

                    Yes, some crimes are more equal than others.

                    For example, I think that any killing of a police officer in many states is eligible for the death penalty. But the same crime if it happened to an ordinary citizen would not be.

                    So, a assault on the US capital where the #2 and #3 people in the US were at does seems a bit more serious than breaking the window of the local 7-11 store.

                    It may not seem fair, but that is the reality of the situation.

                    By the way, it's police officers you're supposed to be caring about. Not the POTUS or lessers in the chain of command

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    @horace said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

                    @taiwan_girl said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

                    I kind of agree with @jon-nyc on this.

                    Yes, some crimes are more equal than others.

                    For example, I think that any killing of a police officer in many states is eligible for the death penalty. But the same crime if it happened to an ordinary citizen would not be.

                    So, a assault on the US capital where the #2 and #3 people in the US were at does seems a bit more serious than breaking the window of the local 7-11 store.

                    It may not seem fair, but that is the reality of the situation.

                    By the way, it's police officers you're supposed to be caring about. Not the POTUS or lessers in the chain of command

                    If that were the case, remind me again how many cops have been hurt in Antifa and BLM riots the last few years?

                    That's ok, I'll remind you...This list was from last June...

                    Albany, N.Y.: Officer sent to the hospital after protester throws a brick at him

                    Atlanta: Officer Maximilian Brewer underwent surgery after a protester hit him with an ATV

                    Brockton, Mass.: One state trooper and a few local Brockton police officers suffered minor injuries

                    Buffalo, N.Y.: Two police officers are hit by a vehicle and one other has his leg broken and pelvis shattered after protesters run him over

                    Champaign, Ill: Several police officers suffered minor injuries after allegedly being assaulted

                    Cincinnati, Ohio: Officer narrowly escaped death after a bullet struck his ballistic helmet

                    Columbia, S.C.: 15 law enforcement personnel injured during a Saturday riot

                    Chicago: 132 Chicago Police Department officers injured in violent riots in the city

                    Davenport, Iowa: A plainclothes police officer injured after an individual opened fire on his vehicle

                    Denver: Three city police officers sent to the hospital after a hit-and-run that also injured a bystander

                    Harrisburg, Penn.: Two police officers sent to the hospital during a violent protest on Saturday

                    Las Vegas: One cop put on life support after he was shot in the head during a violent protest on Monday; 12 additional officers injured during Friday’s rioting

                    Los Angeles: 27 LAPD officers injured during weekend rioting

                    Lynchburg, Va.: Several officers were shot at during protests but were not injured

                    Minnesota: Police officers shot at during a protest, and a precinct in the city was set on fire by protesters

                    Maryland: Protesters injured four county police officers and damaged several police cruisers

                    New York City: Dozens of NYPD officers injured during weekend rioting with one video showing an officer being struck by a car in a hit-and-run.

                    Over 350 NYPD officers injured in two weeks of protests. Injuries include being hit by vehicles, head injuries from bricks and fire extinguishers as well as other serious wounds.

                    Oak Lawn, Il.: Three officers injured during Monday’s protests

                    Oakland, Calif.: FBI officer Dave Patrick Underwood was shot and killed while providing security for a courthouse, and another officer was injured in the shooting

                    Oakdale, Calif: Two officers suffered injuries after a clash broke out at a protest.

                    Philadelphia: City police reported several assaults on officers and multiple police cars set on fire

                    Pittsburgh, Penn.: Nine police officers hurt and sent to the hospital in clashes with protesters

                    Providence, R.I: 9 officers injured after protesters threw bricks at them as violent protests erupted in the city

                    Richmond, Va.: Two officers hurt during a protest after being hit with a baseball bat and a beer bottle

                    Rhode Island: Nine officers injured amongst rioting

                    Sacramento, Calif.: Seven police officers received minor injuries at the hands of violent protesters

                    Salt Lake City, Utah: 21 police officers required medical care after being injured by protesters, with one reporting that he was hit on the head with a baseball bat

                    San Antonio: Three officers were injured after being hit by bricks and bottles

                    San Jose, Calif.: Several officers sustained injuries during a May 29 protest and one was sent to the hospital

                    Santa Ana, Calif.: Two officers had to be taken to the hospital after being hit in the head by projectiles thrown at them by protesters

                    Springfield, Mo: Springfield Police Department officer Mark Priebe was hospitalized in the ICU with a spinal cord injury after being rammed by an SUV. Priebe has to undergo surgery and will likely never be able to walk again.

                    St. Louis, Mo.: 77-year-old David Dorn, a retired police officer, was shot dead by looters. His death was broadcast live on Facebook. Four other police officers were also shot in downtown St. Louis by violent protesters

                    Washington, D.C.: 11 Washington police officers injured during Sunday’s protests. One officer required surgery after being hit by a brick in the leg. Over 50 members of the Secret Service were also hurt during clashes, some sustaining injuries from Molotov cocktails

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      jon-nyc
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                      What’s interesting and a little sad about this thread is that, at its core, whattaboutism is a wagon-circling maneuver.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #11

                        Also look at the thread about the Magats crushing that officer.

                        Who expressed disgust, anger, or sadness?

                        Who went straight to whattaboutism?

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          The entire idea of English Common Law is whataboutism.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            The entire idea of English Common Law is whataboutism.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            #13

                            Nope. Custom and whattaboutism are totally orthogonal.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Nope. Custom and whattaboutism are totally orthogonal.

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                              Horace
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                              @jon-nyc said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

                              Nope. Custom and whattaboutism are totally orthogonal.

                              Whataboitism is just what we all see the world. Please feel free to engage me on that point.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • HoraceH Online
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                                And just to be clear, and for the record, jon shed zero crocodile tears about the police killed in the Floyd riots.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  #16

                                  That’s true, but then I’ve never shed crocodile tears about any death outside my immediate family.

                                  Surely you must know that the tu quoque charge is going to fall flat on me. I was critical of the Floyd riots and at least as critical of the ‘racist cops’ narrative behind them as anyone here.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    That’s true, but then I’ve never shed crocodile tears about any death outside my immediate family.

                                    Surely you must know that the tu quoque charge is going to fall flat on me. I was critical of the Floyd riots and at least as critical of the ‘racist cops’ narrative behind them as anyone here.

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                                    Horace
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                                    @jon-nyc said in ICYMI two years ago - Charges against rioters...er, protestors dropped:

                                    That’s true, but then I’ve never shed crocodile tears about any death outside my immediate family.

                                    Surely you must know that the tu quoque charge is going to fall flat on me. I was critical of the Floyd riots and at least as critical of the ‘racist cops’ narrative behind them as anyone here.

                                    Lots of narratives are falling flat these days. Must be the power of the internet.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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