Twitter permanently bans Trump
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@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Then you have definitely misunderstood my prediction. My prediction is that an American caesar or Napoleon will arise out of this mayhem and once and for all quell the mob. You really ought to go to Wikipedia and look up what 19 Brumaire was, maybe then you'll understand.
Yes, I know you disdain the lessons of history but that's your problem.
Civil War 2?
I don't think so, or at least not at all like the scale of the last one with two armies marching on one another. Rather people will be so numbed with the social mayhem and political gridlock created by the extremes of the right and left, that the majority and the various states will welcome a MacArthur like figure, but not necessarily a military person, who will put together a governing junta to restore order under the banner of patriotism and the Constitution.
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I don't think so, or at least not at all like the scale of the last one with two armies marching on one another. Rather people will be so numbed with the social mayhem and political gridlock created by the extremes of the right and left, that the majority and the various states will welcome a MacArthur like figure, but not necessarily a military person, who will put together a governing junta to restore order under the banner of patriotism and the Constitution.
@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
I don't think so, or at least not at all like the scale of the last one with two armies marching on one another. Rather people will be so numbed with the social mayhem and political gridlock created by the extremes of the right and left, that the majority and the various states will welcome a MacArthur like figure, but not necessarily a military person, who will put together a governing junta to restore order under the banner of patriotism and the Constitution.
Why not go authoritarian left rather than authoritarian right? Certainly if we're to squelch the encouraged and enabled mobs, we will need law enforcement to do its job, but why can't the left happily embrace that as much as the right?
Education is extremely important.
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In the civil war, peoples’ economic way of life was threatened.
I think it’ll take a lot for people without real threats of their livelihoods to willingly go to Armageddon.
@xenon said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
In the civil war, peoples’ economic way of life was threatened.
I think it’ll take a lot for people without real threats of their livelihoods to willingly go to Armageddon.
It won't take a civil war, I think Renauda is envisioning a military coup based on a fair election of an authoritarian candidate, who will then control the military. Personally I don't see what that necessarily has to do with left/right. I do understand that the right has come out nearly unanimously against the idiotic capitol raid, while the left didn't make a peep about CHAZ, Portland, etc. But now they want their righteousness to be taken seriously. Pretty sure most of us connected to the reality of human experience are aware it's the overwhelming hatred of Trump, and the overwhelming desire to bask in victory, which are doing the talking.
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What follows is The Standard Reply:
What are you still waiting for? Start building your own alternatives to Twitter, Google, Facebook, etc. already.
The point about Android shows much ignorance on the part of the author. Unlike Apple/iOS, Android is open source and anyone can put up an Android “app store” that distributes apps to Android devices. There is literally no way for Google to monopolize Android or ban any third party apps for Android. The Betsy Google can do is to refuse distributing a third party app via the Google Play Store, which is only one of many “app stores” for Android. And as long as you have Android, you have an alternative to Apple/iOS.
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Google’s flavor of Android is probably used on the vast, vast majority of Android phones (I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in the 90%’s in the US).
The other popular flavor is Amazon’s. As Klaus mentioned, everything else is nerd fodder.
Also - you can access any mainstream social media platform from the browser. It’s very easy for me to use Parler on my iPhone (if I were so inclined.)
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@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
I don't think so, or at least not at all like the scale of the last one with two armies marching on one another. Rather people will be so numbed with the social mayhem and political gridlock created by the extremes of the right and left, that the majority and the various states will welcome a MacArthur like figure, but not necessarily a military person, who will put together a governing junta to restore order under the banner of patriotism and the Constitution.
Why not go authoritarian left rather than authoritarian right? Certainly if we're to squelch the encouraged and enabled mobs, we will need law enforcement to do its job, but why can't the left happily embrace that as much as the right?
@horace said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Why not go authoritarian left rather than authoritarian right?
In my opinion, two reasons. First, the left tends to break down into opposing factions and only rarely can those factions ever reach a working compromise that remains stable. Secondly and most importantly, the present day American extreme left has no social class constituency it claim as its vanguard. It can no longer purport to speak on behalf of wage earners or working class Americans. Its only constituency is really a handful of disaffected under 30's who feel the need to identify themselves as either persecuted victims of the system or the vanguard of what it claims as persecuted . While the left can raise all kinds of mayhem, it cannot manage its own affairs let alone those of a state that continues to maintain strong institutions of governance at all levels.
It would take only a cataclysm such as a war in which the US was clearly losing; its rank and file military had become radicalized and mutinous and; its political and social institutions crumbling, to enable the left ever to make a bid for power.
Elbows up!
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Have you ever met anyone who has used something different from the Google Play Store on his or her Android device?
I have, but I'm a nerd.
@klaus said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Have you ever met anyone who has used something different from the Google Play Store on his or her Android device?
I have, but I'm a nerd.
Amazon has an Android App Store , but I believe it is only for their devices. I sold Apps in the Amazon Android store for a while, but that was years ago.
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@horace said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Why not go authoritarian left rather than authoritarian right?
In my opinion, two reasons. First, the left tends to break down into opposing factions and only rarely can those factions ever reach a working compromise that remains stable. Secondly and most importantly, the present day American extreme left has no social class constituency it claim as its vanguard. It can no longer purport to speak on behalf of wage earners or working class Americans. Its only constituency is really a handful of disaffected under 30's who feel the need to identify themselves as either persecuted victims of the system or the vanguard of what it claims as persecuted . While the left can raise all kinds of mayhem, it cannot manage its own affairs let alone those of a state that continues to maintain strong institutions of governance at all levels.
It would take only a cataclysm such as a war in which the US was clearly losing; its rank and file military had become radicalized and mutinous and; its political and social institutions crumbling, to enable the left ever to make a bid for power.
@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@horace said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Why not go authoritarian left rather than authoritarian right?
Two reasons, the left tends to break down into opposing factions and only rarely can those factions ever reach a working compromise that remains stable. Secondly and most importantly, the present day American extreme left has no social class constituency it claim as its vanguard. It can no longer purport to speak on behalf of wage earners or working class Americans. Its only constituency is really a handful of disaffected under 30's who feel the need to identify themselves as persecuted victims of the system. While the left can raise all kinds of mayhem, it cannot manage its own affairs let alone those of a state that continues to maintain strong institutions.
It would take a only a cataclysm such as a war in which the US was clearly losing; its rank and file military had become radicalized and mutinous and; its political and social institutions crumbling, to enable the left ever to make a bid for power.
I don’t think I agree with this definition of “power”. Clearly the left dominates our cultural messaging currently and in all of the recent decades. That is very real power. You appear to think that the right will take over through totalitarian means via an election. I’m not clear on the policies which would be enforced via totalitarianism through such a “rightist” power grab, but if enforcement of law is all it is, then I have no issue with it. I’m not sure what else I’m supposed to extrapolate.
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@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@horace said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Why not go authoritarian left rather than authoritarian right?
Two reasons, the left tends to break down into opposing factions and only rarely can those factions ever reach a working compromise that remains stable. Secondly and most importantly, the present day American extreme left has no social class constituency it claim as its vanguard. It can no longer purport to speak on behalf of wage earners or working class Americans. Its only constituency is really a handful of disaffected under 30's who feel the need to identify themselves as persecuted victims of the system. While the left can raise all kinds of mayhem, it cannot manage its own affairs let alone those of a state that continues to maintain strong institutions.
It would take a only a cataclysm such as a war in which the US was clearly losing; its rank and file military had become radicalized and mutinous and; its political and social institutions crumbling, to enable the left ever to make a bid for power.
I don’t think I agree with this definition of “power”. Clearly the left dominates our cultural messaging currently and in all of the recent decades. That is very real power. You appear to think that the right will take over through totalitarian means via an election. I’m not clear on the policies which would be enforced via totalitarianism through such a “rightist” power grab, but if enforcement of law is all it is, then I have no issue with it. I’m not sure what else I’m supposed to extrapolate.
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Authoritarian does not mean totalitarian. For a lack of a better label, it would be illiberal but not anything near totalitarian or even truly authoritarian in its make up.
@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Authoritarian does not mean totalitarian. For a lack of a better label, it would be illiberal but not anything near totalitarian or even truly authoritarian in its make up.
Ok. If you feel like it, please describe the difference between your prediction and a party that eventually gains power through an election which prioritizes law enforcement, especially against rioting mobs.
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@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Authoritarian does not mean totalitarian. For a lack of a better label, it would be illiberal but not anything near totalitarian or even truly authoritarian in its make up.
Ok. If you feel like it, please describe the difference between your prediction and a party that eventually gains power through an election which prioritizes law enforcement, especially against rioting mobs.
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@horace Actually this time round, I'll let you describe the difference and I'll either agree or disagree.
@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@horace Actually this time round, I'll let you describe the difference and I'll either agree or disagree.
Well my post was an admission that I'm not understanding the difference. Though "illiberal" was a tell. You have a vague preference for the left to the right, at least as the terms are used within American and/or Canadian politics. I admit to such a vague preference as well, though in the opposite direction.
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@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@horace Actually this time round, I'll let you describe the difference and I'll either agree or disagree.
Well my post was an admission that I'm not understanding the difference. Though "illiberal" was a tell. You have a vague preference for the left to the right, at least as the terms are used within American and/or Canadian politics. I admit to such a vague preference as well, though in the opposite direction.
@horace Works for me. Although I might add that I have little or no patience and time for the cancel culture or identity politics of current progressives or new left. Wokism, or whatever it's called this month, just does not fit into the dialectic to which I subscribe.
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@horace Works for me. Although I might add that I have little or no patience and time for the cancel culture or identity politics of current progressives or new left. Wokism, or whatever it's called this month, just does not fit into the dialectic to which I subscribe.
@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@horace Works for me. Although I might add that I have little or no patience and time for the cancel culture or identity politics of current progressives or new left. Wokism, or whatever it's called this month, just does not fit into the dialectic to which I subscribe.
I understand that completely. I've spent pretty much my entire adult life thinking of myself as 'liberal' and 'centre-left', and then suddenly it feels like the ground I used to occupy has been taken over by all those dip-shits I used to run into in the Student Union at university with the rimless glasses and the goatee beards who would shout at me for banking with Barclays, and talk about the rights of 'The Working Class' even though they'd been to some posh little school in Surrey and their daddy was a stockbroker.
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@Klaus @xenon I just want make this point about the Adroid "App Store" landscape:
- In most of the world, yes, most people use the Google Play Store exclusively to get their Android apps
- But in China, Google and Amazon are blocked by the Chinese Great Firewall ... yet there are like a billion Android phones being used in China and they still get their Android apps. This should be enough to show most reasonable people that it is entirely possible to support hundreds of millions of Android users without relying on a Google operated Play Store.
So, yes, I am still quite convinced that Google Play Store is powerless to censor something, some apps, that Android users really, really want.
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If Trump were smart he’d be negotiating a financial stake in Gab or Parler in return for him to make it
the center of his culthis communications hub moving forward.Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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If Trump were smart he’d be negotiating a financial stake in Gab or Parler in return for him to make it
the center of his culthis communications hub moving forward.
