“There’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated."

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

April Ryan (D-CNN):

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Also April Ryan:

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Axtremus

@george-k Was the recording "secretly" recorded? Was it it even "private" (did the Georgia party agree that the call was supposed to be "private")? It would be reasonable to think that when a state official hold meetings with candidates/campaigns to talk about elections, that such meetings would be on official records rather than "off the record"/"private", no?

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@larry said in “There’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.":

You do realize that what you were hearing was negotiations in an attempt to settle a lawsuit, dont you?

Which lawsuit might that be?

Jolly

Was the recording "secretly" recorded? Was it it even "private" (did the Georgia party agree that the call was supposed to be "private")? It would be reasonable to think that when a state official hold meetings with candidates/campaigns to talk about elections, that such meetings would be on official records rather than "off the record"/"private", no?

State laws vary. In many states, if both parties are not aware the conversation is being recorded, it is illegal.

But if that's the standard y'all wish to use, fine. Just tell me the rules and we'll play to win.

Assuming Demonrats play by the rules...

Axtremus

@jolly said in “There’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.":

In many states, if both parties are not aware the conversation is being recorded, it is illegal.

Do you know that both parties were not aware that the conversation was being recorded? Have you read any claim from any one that was in that meeting that he/she was surprised to learn that it has been recorded?

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Michael Bromwich (former DOJ Inspector General) on the legality of the matter:

Jennifer Rubin's analysis on the legality of the matter:

Threatening Raffensperger with criminal consequences is also arguably extortion. Title 18 Section 875 of the U.S. Code reads: “Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”
Alternatively, the state attorney general of Georgia might investigate and bring applicable charges under state law. That would have one clear advantage: Trump cannot receive a federal pardon for state crimes.

bachophile

Heres my reading

Raffensperger had a private call with Trump and was going to keep it that way, until Trump tweeted out stuff that didnt reflect accurately what was said, and then Brad simply leaked out the call to show the world Trump was lying about the call.

Privileged info? I think Donald should figure out by now if he his going to lie to the nation, that someone will call him out on it and privilege be damned.

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he's saving his best criminal acts for the end. Love it. This thread should grow to many many pages soon. Love how the Trumpsters here are already circling the wagons in his defense.

He asked the SecState of Georgia to find 11,000 plus votes for him! He threatened them with punitive action if they didn't.

Parse it out all you want. This is a felony crime he just committed. Lord knows how many unrecorded calls he has made demanding the same stuff with other states. He knows no boundaries and thinks he is above the law. And yet, millions still support him. There are alot of dumb ignorant people in this country. Moral pygmies they all are.

jon-nyc

@larry said in “There’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.":

You do realize that what you were hearing was negotiations in an attempt to settle a lawsuit, dont you?

Haha. They tried that excuse but had to deprecate it once it became clear that the whole conversation had been recorded.

Copper

The president is above the law

Let's move on

Renauda

To be more precise and accurate, the current outgoing president steadfastly appears to believe himself to be above the law.

Horace

I suppose we'll see. Pretty sure he'll be prosecuted if he broke the law in plain sight.

Jolly

@horace said in “There’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.":

I suppose we'll see. Pretty sure he'll be prosecuted if he broke the law in plain sight.

He won't be.

This is the Trump outrage du jour...

Horace

The only reason Trump won't be prosecuted is because he's a white male. If Obama had done that he'd be in jail to this day.

Jolly

@horace said in “There’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.":

The only reason Trump won't be prosecuted is because he's a white male. If Obama had done that he'd be in jail to this day.

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Larry

Did any of you watch the Georgia Senate hearing that was held just days before? The one where witness after wit eds after witness testified before the Senate panel under penalty of perjury about all the mistakes, errors, and Dominion machines that would run correctly, were changing votes, etc? The one where witness after witness after witness testified as to how they told the Georgia Secretary of State what was happening and he refused to help, and then how in spite of the fact that they didnt want to certify the count the secretary of state ordered them to do so anyway? The one where one person refused to certify and the secretary of state sent men with guns and handcuffs and ordered her to certify or get locked up?

Nah, of course you didn't. What lawsuit?? The one Trump was trying to not have to file against the Georgia Secretary of state for the part he played in screwing up Georgia's election. You'd have seen that hearing if the media was doing it's job instead of helping keep you Trump haters in the dark. You might have read about it if we still had freedom of speech in this country instead of big tech censoring what you are allowed to hear. You call ME a nut job, but you swallow the swill you're being fed without question. Why was it recorded? Because the secretary of state in Georgia is guilty of crimes, and he wanted a recording he could use to cover his ass. He knew full well that he could count on the media and big tech to shape the story to Trumps disadvantage, and the gullible sheep would hear what they wanted to hear. But that Georgia Senate happened, and it proves that the true nutjobs are the "where's the evidence" crowd.

89th

LOL you know the Trump Sheep think the call is bad when they are now focused on whether it was legal for it to be taped and leaked. Spoiler alert: It was legal, Georgia is a one-party state for consenting the recording of a call.

89th

One of my favorite parts was Trump rattling off a bunch of conspiracy theories without evidence other than "this is what I've heard!" which resulted in a "sir, that didn't happen" replies. What a buffoon living in his own reality. "We won Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes! Just look at my rally sizes!" hahahaha what a child, as if that has anything to do with actual votes.