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Do I really need a UPS?

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  • markM Offline
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    A power outage during a critical system write can play havoc on your system.

    Risk vs. Reward. Your call.

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      Doctor Phibes
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      #6

      We lost two motherboards on two separate PC's, most likely during thunderstorms, and the tech recommended getting a UPS. We haven't had any problems since.

      I was only joking

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      • markM mark

        A power outage during a critical system write can play havoc on your system.

        Risk vs. Reward. Your call.

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        @mark said in Do I really need a UPS?:

        A power outage during a critical system write can play havoc on your system.

        Risk vs. Reward. Your call.

        Yeah, I know. The worst thing that can happen is that it crashes the hard drive and makes it unbootable, right?

        I can restore it in about 3 hours. I get it that professionals can't afford that kind of downtime. I can.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Well you just talked yourself out of getting one.

          I didn't do that. 👼

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            When I say 'lost motherboard', the PC was completely unusable. The HDD wasn't damaged, but it fried something on the main board.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              When I say 'lost motherboard', the PC was completely unusable. The HDD wasn't damaged, but it fried something on the main board.

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              @Doctor-Phibes said in Do I really need a UPS?:

              When I say 'lost motherboard', the PC was completely unusable. The HDD wasn't damaged, but it fried something on the main board.

              Wouldn't a surge protector accomplish the same thing?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                If it's just a battery issue, what does the battery cost?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  If it's just a battery issue, what does the battery cost?

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                  @Jolly said in Do I really need a UPS?:

                  If it's just a battery issue, what does the battery cost?

                  About $80. But, I'm not 100% sure it's that. Like I said, it's an old unit (>8 years).

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    #13

                    You don't necessarily need a UPS, but wouldn't be a bad idea to at least have a surge protector. Another step up is a voltage regulator and something that smooths out "noisy" power sources. Surge protection aside, I am not familiar with consumer electronics that offer those two other functions independently, but good UPS units typically have all those built in.

                    I have a setup where I have a laser printer hooked up to the same circuit as a desktop/server computer along with a UPS. Every time I "wake" the laser printer up, it draws enough power that it would trigger the UPS. In that case, the UPS protects my desktop/server from the transient power irregularities caused by the laser printer waking up, and avoid a needless restart for the desktop/server machine. (And yes, @mark , I use CyberPower units for the more important stuff; though I still have older/smaller APC units in service as well.)

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                      A small UPS is not that expensive. All you need is surge protection and just a few minutes run time.

                      I think it's cheap insurance.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        #15

                        You need power conditioning and very good ($$$) power conditioning to prevent that. Lightning is very hard to stop and very expensive. Most good UPS have better power conditioning than a typical "surge protector". A surge usually occurs when something in the power chain unexpectedly puts excessive load on the power supply.

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                          I've never had a UPS and never had a problem. But we also have latop computers used in different areas of the house. Just good quality surge suppressors. If I were going to invest in something on that order I'd likely go for a whole house generator.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Very few companies and even fewer private persons need a UPS.

                            Today's servers and file systems in general cope well with sudden power losses. If one has valuable data, a backup is more than sufficient for almost all situations.

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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Do I really need a UPS?:

                              When I say 'lost motherboard', the PC was completely unusable. The HDD wasn't damaged, but it fried something on the main board.

                              Wouldn't a surge protector accomplish the same thing?

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                              @George-K said in Do I really need a UPS?:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Do I really need a UPS?:

                              When I say 'lost motherboard', the PC was completely unusable. The HDD wasn't damaged, but it fried something on the main board.

                              Wouldn't a surge protector accomplish the same thing?

                              We had surge protectors on both PC's, based on that theory. I wasn't convinced they'd done what they were supposed to do. It's possible it wasn't a surge, but I figure for the sake of $100, what the heck.

                              However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results 🤓

                              (We use Cyberpower UPS's)

                              I was only joking

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                When I say 'lost motherboard', the PC was completely unusable. The HDD wasn't damaged, but it fried something on the main board.

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                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Do I really need a UPS?:

                                When I say 'lost motherboard', the PC was completely unusable. The HDD wasn't damaged, but it fried something on the main board.

                                Buy a Mac, bitch.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Do I really need a UPS?:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Do I really need a UPS?:

                                  When I say 'lost motherboard', the PC was completely unusable. The HDD wasn't damaged, but it fried something on the main board.

                                  Buy a Mac, bitch.

                                  That's like telling somebody who was raped by a priest to join the scientologists.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    All that has been said on this is irrelevant.

                                    When buying anything, look for the most colored, blinking lights. Lots of LED's that blink with importance. Steady blue with a nearby blinking yellow, plus a handful of green, just ooze importance. Nothing is more dissatisfying than a computer gadget with only one, or no, lights. It's like disappointment in a box.

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                                      He's a Mac user. They prefer the flashing lights to be in the non-visible spectrum.

                                      I was only joking

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