Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit
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@Horace said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
... prediction of a Trump win, which everybody knew was a gamble.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 19:29 last edited by@Axtremus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Horace said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
... prediction of a Trump win, which everybody knew was a gamble.
I assume so. Personally, I had far less than 100% conviction that Trump would win.
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I didn't think the power of presidential incumbency was that much of a gamble. Apparently Trump didn't either. In fact I even suspect he truly believes he won. His base certainly thinks so.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 19:30 last edited by@Renauda said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
I didn't think the power of presidential incumbency was that much of a gamble. Apparently Trump didn't either. In fact I even suspect he truly believes he won. His base certainly thinks so.
It's well within normal psychological parameters of hyper-competitive people to not countenance failure on any intellectual level.
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@Renauda said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
I didn't think the power of presidential incumbency was that much of a gamble. Apparently Trump didn't either. In fact I even suspect he truly believes he won. His base certainly thinks so.
It's well within normal psychological parameters of hyper-competitive people to not countenance failure on any intellectual level.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 21:24 last edited byThe SCOTUS just kicked the POTUS in the SCROTUS
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 21:45 last edited by
A friend from Texas posted this.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 21:54 last edited by
I find it really sad how Trump leaves the office by showing his worst side.
I've always had mixed feelings about him, but he also made a few decent policy decisions during those four years.
But now it's just a complete WTF. Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology displayed in the "Downfall" movie.
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I find it really sad how Trump leaves the office by showing his worst side.
I've always had mixed feelings about him, but he also made a few decent policy decisions during those four years.
But now it's just a complete WTF. Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology displayed in the "Downfall" movie.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 21:58 last edited by@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 22:36 last edited by Copper 12 Dec 2020, 22:36
He has done very little that wasn't promised months or years in advance.
He said he would fight for this election.
And he has.
He'll exhaust his options.
Why would he do anything else?
He is not a quitter.
This is not his worst side, it is really terrific.
Even more impressive considering he knew it was a long shot. And he had to put up with all the garbage that has been repeated here.
Good for him.
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@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:01 last edited by Klaus 12 Dec 2020, 23:03@George-K said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
He's putting the axe on the most important pillar of any democracy, namely the concept to accept a loss of an election and not tell your gullible supporters that the election was "stolen", without ever presenting evidence that survives a day in court. A democracy can only live and survive when a certain set of rules is accepted by everyone. He's pissed on those rules, and I doubt they can be cleaned easily. They'll stink for decades. You'll maybe find some "but they did it, too" stuff, but there's nothing that comes close in magnitude.
What could be a more effective way to burn down a country than this?
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@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:04 last edited by@George-K said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
There’s usually stories that do a post mortem of an administration. If the Middle East deals had been done in the 1980s or 90s, 5his would have been HUGE news. Now, it “ho hum.” No new wars is also a big deal. Iran may be a tougher call but North Korea seems to have calmed down. I’m not sure who will do a balanced review.
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@Renauda said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
I didn't think the power of presidential incumbency was that much of a gamble. Apparently Trump didn't either. In fact I even suspect he truly believes he won. His base certainly thinks so.
It's well within normal psychological parameters of hyper-competitive people to not countenance failure on any intellectual level.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:21 last edited by@Horace said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Renauda said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
I didn't think the power of presidential incumbency was that much of a gamble. Apparently Trump didn't either. In fact I even suspect he truly believes he won. His base certainly thinks so.
It's well within normal psychological parameters of hyper-competitive people to not countenance failure on any intellectual level.
Yeah, but when Magnus Carlsen loses a game of 2D chess, he doesn't whine like a little bitch for 2 solid months.
The phrase 'Get the fuck over yourself' springs to mind.
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@George-K said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
He's putting the axe on the most important pillar of any democracy, namely the concept to accept a loss of an election and not tell your gullible supporters that the election was "stolen", without ever presenting evidence that survives a day in court. A democracy can only live and survive when a certain set of rules is accepted by everyone. He's pissed on those rules, and I doubt they can be cleaned easily. They'll stink for decades. You'll maybe find some "but they did it, too" stuff, but there's nothing that comes close in magnitude.
What could be a more effective way to burn down a country than this?
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:31 last edited by Moonbat 12 Dec 2020, 23:33@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@George-K said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
He's putting the axe on the most important pillar of any democracy, namely the concept to accept a loss of an election and not tell your gullible supporters that the election was "stolen", without ever presenting evidence that survives a day in court. A democracy can only live and survive when a certain set of rules is accepted by everyone. He's pissed on those rules, and I doubt they can be cleaned easily. They'll stink for decades. You'll maybe find some "but they did it, too" stuff, but there's nothing that comes close in magnitude.
What could be a more effective way to burn down a country than this?
I still don't really get why there isn't a greater outcry from Democrats and Republicans alike over this (or maybe there is and it's just TNCR that's not a representative sample). Trump actively tried to bypass a presidential election and seems to have made doing that ok in the eyes of his followers. Perhaps it's the mythology of America as the great bastion of democracy that is responsible for this complacency.
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@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@George-K said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
He's putting the axe on the most important pillar of any democracy, namely the concept to accept a loss of an election and not tell your gullible supporters that the election was "stolen", without ever presenting evidence that survives a day in court. A democracy can only live and survive when a certain set of rules is accepted by everyone. He's pissed on those rules, and I doubt they can be cleaned easily. They'll stink for decades. You'll maybe find some "but they did it, too" stuff, but there's nothing that comes close in magnitude.
What could be a more effective way to burn down a country than this?
I still don't really get why there isn't a greater outcry from Democrats and Republicans alike over this (or maybe there is and it's just TNCR that's not a representative sample). Trump actively tried to bypass a presidential election and seems to have made doing that ok in the eyes of his followers. Perhaps it's the mythology of America as the great bastion of democracy that is responsible for this complacency.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:50 last edited by Copper 12 Dec 2020, 23:51
He simply exhausted his options, in a close race.
Anyone who doesn't do this is a quitter.
And should be ashamed that they let their supporters down.
The quitters Gore and Clinton come to mind.
The lasting value in this is that the process will be scrutinized and updated. It will be Trump-proofed, assuming our law-makers can remember how to make laws.
For now, let's all thank Mr. Trump for introducing us to our system.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:53 last edited by
Sometimes it's hard to tell whether you're joking or not.
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What I don't get is how people kept believing in it. How many times do you have to see fact-lite, argument-lite filings get laughed out of multiple courts, including by Trump appointed judges, before you figure out what's going on?
It's like they just love being the chump. Every night they lose all their money at the poker table but the next day they're like Flounder in Animal House - "You guys playing cards???"
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:56 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
What I don't get is how people kept believing in it. How many times do you have to see fact-lite, argument-lite filings get laughed out of multiple courts, including by Trump appointed judges, before you figure out what's going on?
It's like they just love being the chump. Every night they lose all their money at the poker table but the next day they're like Flounder in Animal House - "You guys playing cards???"
Actually, there gas been quite a bit of fraud proven, most of it going one way.
I invite you to relook at Ted Cruz's comments on the Constitution and election law.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:56 last edited by
Trump-proofed
You watch, someone will figure this out
It will be like when Augusta tried to Tiger-proof the course.
Of course Augusta's mistake was that they created a course that was even more suited to Mr. Woods.
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@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@George-K said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
He's putting the axe on the most important pillar of any democracy, namely the concept to accept a loss of an election and not tell your gullible supporters that the election was "stolen", without ever presenting evidence that survives a day in court. A democracy can only live and survive when a certain set of rules is accepted by everyone. He's pissed on those rules, and I doubt they can be cleaned easily. They'll stink for decades. You'll maybe find some "but they did it, too" stuff, but there's nothing that comes close in magnitude.
What could be a more effective way to burn down a country than this?
I still don't really get why there isn't a greater outcry from Democrats and Republicans alike over this (or maybe there is and it's just TNCR that's not a representative sample). Trump actively tried to bypass a presidential election and seems to have made doing that ok in the eyes of his followers. Perhaps it's the mythology of America as the great bastion of democracy that is responsible for this complacency.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:57 last edited by Catseye3 12 Dec 2020, 23:58@Moonbat said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
I still don't really get why there isn't a greater outcry from Democrats and Republicans alike over this
I like to think it's because there is such widespread fedupedness with this guy that nobody -- nooobody, in any party, wants to slow his exit. Everybody's like, "No roadblocks! NO ROADBLOCKS!"
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@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@George-K said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
He's putting the axe on the most important pillar of any democracy, namely the concept to accept a loss of an election and not tell your gullible supporters that the election was "stolen", without ever presenting evidence that survives a day in court. A democracy can only live and survive when a certain set of rules is accepted by everyone. He's pissed on those rules, and I doubt they can be cleaned easily. They'll stink for decades. You'll maybe find some "but they did it, too" stuff, but there's nothing that comes close in magnitude.
What could be a more effective way to burn down a country than this?
I still don't really get why there isn't a greater outcry from Democrats and Republicans alike over this (or maybe there is and it's just TNCR that's not a representative sample). Trump actively tried to bypass a presidential election and seems to have made doing that ok in the eyes of his followers. Perhaps it's the mythology of America as the great bastion of democracy that is responsible for this complacency.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:58 last edited by@Moonbat said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@George-K said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
He's putting the axe on the most important pillar of any democracy, namely the concept to accept a loss of an election and not tell your gullible supporters that the election was "stolen", without ever presenting evidence that survives a day in court. A democracy can only live and survive when a certain set of rules is accepted by everyone. He's pissed on those rules, and I doubt they can be cleaned easily. They'll stink for decades. You'll maybe find some "but they did it, too" stuff, but there's nothing that comes close in magnitude.
What could be a more effective way to burn down a country than this?
I still don't really get why there isn't a greater outcry from Democrats and Republicans alike over this (or maybe there is and it's just TNCR that's not a representative sample). Trump actively tried to bypass a presidential election and seems to have made doing that ok in the eyes of his followers. Perhaps it's the mythology of America as the great bastion of democracy that is responsible for this complacency.
I don’t think there’s a bigger outcry because everyone knows this is a childish, baseless attempt that will lose.
No one is really taking it seriously as a threat.
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@Klaus said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Maybe it's the "...then I'll take everything else down with me" bunker psychology
But is he really? Yeah, he's replaced people (for a total of 6-7 weeks), but I don't see him trying to burn down the country. Even if he fires Barr, what effect will that have on the nation? Nothing.
The only thing burning is his reputation, and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:58 last edited by Renauda@George-K said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
..., and sadly, the good work he's done in the Middle East is going unnoticed.
To my thinking the Trump Administration's foreign policy in the Middle East is just as problematic and empty as that of its recent predecessors.
Gwynne Dyer sums it up rather well:
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He simply exhausted his options, in a close race.
Anyone who doesn't do this is a quitter.
And should be ashamed that they let their supporters down.
The quitters Gore and Clinton come to mind.
The lasting value in this is that the process will be scrutinized and updated. It will be Trump-proofed, assuming our law-makers can remember how to make laws.
For now, let's all thank Mr. Trump for introducing us to our system.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:59 last edited by@Copper said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
He simply exhausted his options, in a close race.
It wasn’t a close race.
Biden won by a landslide, according to Trump’s own words.