The Hate
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I wonder how many ordinary Americans he hobnobs with down in Mar Lago.
He doesn't give a crap about ordinary Americans, he only cares about himself. It is so plain to see as the nose on your face. He suckers many ordinary Americans by saying things that resonate with these disenchanted people. But he's just a big liar that will say anything that secures your vote. oh dear, a politician! He only cares about power and is scared to death of having to leave the white house and the legal force field that surrounds it.
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@nobodyssock said in The Hate:
I wonder how many ordinary Americans he hobnobs with down in Mar Lago.
Probably as many as are on Martha's Vineyard?
MV is for democrats, Nantucket for republicans
I know on Nantucket a lot of the summer help are students from Europe
It's probably the same on MV
So there may not be many ordinary Americans available for hobnobing
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@nobodyssock said in The Hate:
thats not the subject of this thread Dr. Whatabout
No, it's not.
But it's relevant to your comment about mingling with the hoi-palloi.
Your comment about President Trump raised a question about his interaction with "ordinary people."
I simply asked if you can apply the same standard to Obama. Or, for that matter, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I.
If you can't your insult is, well, facile and ignorant. For the moment, I'll ignore your name-calling.
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@nobodyssock said in The Hate:
thats not the subject of this thread Dr. Whatabout
No, it's not.
But it's relevant to your comment about mingling with the hoi-palloi.
Your comment about President Trump raised a question about his interaction with "ordinary people."
I simply asked if you can apply the same standard to Obama. Or, for that matter, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I.
If you can't your insult is, well, facile and ignorant. For the moment, I'll ignore your name-calling.
You can apply it to Bush II. He always sought Karla out at the ASNE convention to thank her for doing the real work to make it happen. One year he asked her about family and she showed him a picture of Luke and I. The next year he came back he asked about Luke...
Everybody else can make fun of Bush, but he is a helluva freaking guy.
Same for Jimmy Carter.
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Hillary and Barry were fvcking pricks, btw.
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@nobodyssock said in The Hate:
thats not the subject of this thread Dr. Whatabout
No, it's not.
But it's relevant to your comment about mingling with the hoi-palloi.
Your comment about President Trump raised a question about his interaction with "ordinary people."
I simply asked if you can apply the same standard to Obama. Or, for that matter, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I.
If you can't your insult is, well, facile and ignorant. For the moment, I'll ignore your name-calling.
Wasnt meant as an insult. Just stating a fact here. You average 3 to 4 whataboutism posts per day.
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@nobodyssock said in The Hate:
Wasnt meant as an insult. Just stating a fact here. You average 3 to 4 whataboutism posts per day.
That may be true.
Now, go ahead and refute my comment, Mr. "I quote unattributed screeds from leftwing websites that no one has ever heard of."
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@nobodyssock said in The Hate:
@nobodyssock said in The Hate:
thats not the subject of this thread Dr. Whatabout
No, it's not.
But it's relevant to your comment about mingling with the hoi-palloi.
Your comment about President Trump raised a question about his interaction with "ordinary people."
I simply asked if you can apply the same standard to Obama. Or, for that matter, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I.
If you can't your insult is, well, facile and ignorant. For the moment, I'll ignore your name-calling.
Wasnt meant as an insult. Just stating a fact here. You average 3 to 4 whataboutism posts per day.
Speaking about whatabout why not diversify your posting? When you did it was much more interesting.
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Simply put, they hate Trump because he represents ordinary Americans — those who are not part of the political and corporate elite, who lack the advantages and connections of the Deep State, who are not media, academics, or celebs. President Trump puts ordinary Americans first, and it drives the elite nuts.
Foul tip. Barely made contact.
For a hell of a lot of lefties, the argument actually goes something like this:
- Trump said some really uncool shit about [whatever]. Let's take the Access Hollywood video as a prime example. He said those things.
- They then conclude that supporting Trump, after he said such things, means emphatic endorsement of sexual assault. Any other reason to support Donald Trump is immaterial. He said those things, you voted for him, therefore you're for sexually assaulting women. Period, end of story.
That's their perspective. It also works on what people project about Trump, too. Enough people think Trump is X, so that means it's so obviously true, and anyone who voted for him is in full endorsement of X as well.
On the other side of things, you have someone like Joe Flyover, with all of his pedestrian aspirations, struggles and personal tragedies. His brother or nephew or something was in a nasty accident, and that set his family back some. He had a handful of really demeaning jobs and didn't get married the first time like he thought he would. But now he is married, he's in a slightly more stable position, and he's now able to save for retirement and pay for his kid to be in the band in school.
He woke up some morning in the past ten years to learn that you know what? He didn't earn anything he's gained in his life. He stole it from more deserving victims because as a white guy, he's been given things his whole life. And the fact that he's been oblivious to all this means he's a racist, too. So he damn well better be sorry for all the shit he's done to terrorize under-represented identities, and do everything he can to project his white guilt, or the mob will have every right to cancel his ass.
And along comes a professional bullshitter telling him he understands, he's in his corner, and like Joe, he doesn't buy into this "privilege" crap, either.
The problem is that the two sides aren't the least bit interested in understanding each other. They're way too busy knowing they're on the winning side of morality for understanding to have a chance.
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Neither Trump, Obama nor Hillary have any fucking clue about people living ordinary lives.
Incidentally, visiting Martha's Vineyard is no big deal at all. It's a little boat trip over. My in-laws went for a week. They said it was pretty so-so. Food was overpriced and not that great.
I spent a week in Boca Raton with work, which is close to Mar a Lago. It was considerably more upscale than anywhere I've been to on the Cape.
Not that any of that matters in the slightest. The minute you have somebody carry your luggage and drive you around you stop being a regular person. If you think chatting to your chaffeur gives somebody an insight into regular folk, I've got a bridge going cheap.
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While Trump can certainly BS with the best (developer, remember) and he can be an absolute jackass to the people working closely with him, word is he treats everyday people pretty decent. I don't put him in 43's league, but he's not the monster many think he is.
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While Trump can certainly BS with the best (developer, remember) and he can be an absolute jackass to the people working closely with him, word is he treats everyday people pretty decent. I don't put him in 43's league, but he's not the monster many think he is.
So, how do you think Obama treated everyday people? From what I've seen he was pretty decent.
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word is he treats everyday people pretty decent.
I've heard that very same observation about people I know to be absolute shitbags so many times I don't pay it any mind anymore. I think it's next to impossible for anyone on this board to know what kind of guy Trump really is. But with all these problems we talk about, we pretend they're about him and really aren't.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Hate:
I think it's next to impossible for anyone on this board to know what kind of guy Trump really is. But with all these problems we talk about, we pretend they're about him and really aren't.
Well said.
It's unreasonable to expect any former (or current president) to interact with "the normal" people in any "normal" way. Not going to happen.
And that's not just because of the personality you hate, it's because of who the man is. Secret Service, and all kinds of other security, will simply not allow it.
Do you really think that I could walk up to the Clintons' house in Chappaqua, ring the doorbell, and ask for a cup of coffee?
Of course not.
To expect that of any former (or current) President is delusional, and that's why I mentioned the last four Presidents.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Hate:
Neither Trump, Obama nor Hillary have any fucking clue about people living ordinary lives.
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The minute you have somebody carry your luggage and drive you around you stop being a regular person. If you think chatting to your chaffeur gives somebody an insight into regular folk, I've got a bridge going cheap.Analysis of the day.
Hillary Clinton upbraiding a repairman for being visible while doing his job. Yelling at a SS agent for not carrying her suitcase.
Bush (the younger), Obama, and Reagan thanking the pilots who flew them.
Biden skinny dipping.
All of them are disconnected from what "real" life is like. And they always will be.