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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    @Mik lol.

    (But you are probably right. 555)

    the funny thing is, there are many policies that he does that I agree with. But I don’t agree with his value system and his leader ship qualities for sure.

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    Larry
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    @taiwan_girl said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

    @Mik lol.

    (But you are probably right. 555)

    the funny thing is, there are many policies that he does that I agree with. But I don’t agree with his value system and his leader ship qualities for sure.

    Tell me - which of his values is it that you don't agree with?

    After you've answered that, tell me what you think is wrong specifically with his leadership skills.

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    • MikM Mik

      Aqua, you need more tea. That was not well constructed, although it did paint a funny picture.

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      @Mik said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

      Aqua, you need more tea. That was not well constructed, although it did paint a funny picture.

      I didn't make the scenario up, by the way. That video won for Best Video of the Year on America's Funniest one year.

      But yeah, still waking up.

      Please love yourself.

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      • LarryL Larry

        @taiwan_girl said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

        @Mik lol.

        (But you are probably right. 555)

        the funny thing is, there are many policies that he does that I agree with. But I don’t agree with his value system and his leader ship qualities for sure.

        Tell me - which of his values is it that you don't agree with?

        After you've answered that, tell me what you think is wrong specifically with his leadership skills.

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        #11

        @Larry said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

        @taiwan_girl said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

        @Mik lol.

        (But you are probably right. 555)

        the funny thing is, there are many policies that he does that I agree with. But I don’t agree with his value system and his leader ship qualities for sure.

        Tell me - which of his values is it that you don't agree with?

        After you've answered that, tell me what you think is wrong specifically with his leadership skills.

        I take it that you can't answer...

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        • LarryL Larry

          @Larry said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

          @taiwan_girl said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

          @Mik lol.

          (But you are probably right. 555)

          the funny thing is, there are many policies that he does that I agree with. But I don’t agree with his value system and his leader ship qualities for sure.

          Tell me - which of his values is it that you don't agree with?

          After you've answered that, tell me what you think is wrong specifically with his leadership skills.

          I take it that you can't answer...

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          @Larry

          Everybody has different things that they think make up a good leader, but in my opinion, one of the major failings in President Trump leadership is that it appears to me that everything has to be a win-lose proposition.

          In my limited view, everything has to be "my way or no way", which is quite different than what I like to do. I believe it is possible to have a win-win between two groups/countries/parties/people, etc.

          I may have to give up a bit to achieve that, but if both sides walk away feeling satisfied, then that makes for a better long term relationship and a better possibility that, in the future, there is much more chance of working together without animosity.

          I know someone will reply to this saying, "well, politics isn't ....."

          I am probably most interested in his handling or foreign affairs and I believe (in my opinion) that he has done more damage in foreign relationships than positive things.

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @Larry

            Everybody has different things that they think make up a good leader, but in my opinion, one of the major failings in President Trump leadership is that it appears to me that everything has to be a win-lose proposition.

            In my limited view, everything has to be "my way or no way", which is quite different than what I like to do. I believe it is possible to have a win-win between two groups/countries/parties/people, etc.

            I may have to give up a bit to achieve that, but if both sides walk away feeling satisfied, then that makes for a better long term relationship and a better possibility that, in the future, there is much more chance of working together without animosity.

            I know someone will reply to this saying, "well, politics isn't ....."

            I am probably most interested in his handling or foreign affairs and I believe (in my opinion) that he has done more damage in foreign relationships than positive things.

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            @taiwan_girl said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

            @Larry

            Everybody has different things that they think make up a good leader, but in my opinion, one of the major failings in President Trump leadership is that it appears to me that everything has to be a win-lose proposition.

            In my limited view, everything has to be "my way or no way", which is quite different than what I like to do. I believe it is possible to have a win-win between two groups/countries/parties/people, etc.

            I may have to give up a bit to achieve that, but if both sides walk away feeling satisfied, then that makes for a better long term relationship and a better possibility that, in the future, there is much more chance of working together without animosity.

            I know someone will reply to this saying, "well, politics isn't ....."

            I am probably most interested in his handling or foreign affairs and I believe (in my opinion) that he has done more damage in foreign relationships than positive things.

            Well there's one of your problems - you think he doesn't compromise when the fact is that he DOES compromise. Based on what you just said your idea of compromising is to give up and let it be a win lose situation with the other guy winning.

            You also think he has "done more damage in foreign relationships than positive things". That tells me you're more concerned with whether China (for example) likes us. It doesnt matter whether China or any other country likes us or not. You've just described what POOR leadership is. What matters is whether or not they are playing by the rules and not taking advantage of us. If (__insert country of your choice here) doesn't like us because we demand they play by the rules, tough. The USA is not here for that country to screw us over.

            Your idea of what constitutes a leader scares the living shit out of me.

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            • LarryL Larry

              @taiwan_girl said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

              @Larry

              Everybody has different things that they think make up a good leader, but in my opinion, one of the major failings in President Trump leadership is that it appears to me that everything has to be a win-lose proposition.

              In my limited view, everything has to be "my way or no way", which is quite different than what I like to do. I believe it is possible to have a win-win between two groups/countries/parties/people, etc.

              I may have to give up a bit to achieve that, but if both sides walk away feeling satisfied, then that makes for a better long term relationship and a better possibility that, in the future, there is much more chance of working together without animosity.

              I know someone will reply to this saying, "well, politics isn't ....."

              I am probably most interested in his handling or foreign affairs and I believe (in my opinion) that he has done more damage in foreign relationships than positive things.

              Well there's one of your problems - you think he doesn't compromise when the fact is that he DOES compromise. Based on what you just said your idea of compromising is to give up and let it be a win lose situation with the other guy winning.

              You also think he has "done more damage in foreign relationships than positive things". That tells me you're more concerned with whether China (for example) likes us. It doesnt matter whether China or any other country likes us or not. You've just described what POOR leadership is. What matters is whether or not they are playing by the rules and not taking advantage of us. If (__insert country of your choice here) doesn't like us because we demand they play by the rules, tough. The USA is not here for that country to screw us over.

              Your idea of what constitutes a leader scares the living shit out of me.

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              taiwan_girl
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              @Larry Obviously Larry, we have different opinions on the leadership style of President Trump.

              My opinion is not fact, nor is yours.

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                Larry
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                #15

                Well yes, mine is based on facts.

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                • LarryL Larry

                  Well yes, mine is based on facts.

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                  taiwan_girl
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                  @Larry Okay!!!!

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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      This is just how stupid the democrat party thinks it's base is. They will continue to ignore Trump'sbachievements, and then claim Biden did it. Assuming Biden ends up in office, the media and the democrat party will give Biden credit for the vaccine, when the shutdowns end and the economy bounces back they'll claim Biden did it, and 2 or 3 years from now when the wheels begin coming off the economy and we are heading down the toilet as a nation, it will be because Trump is campaigning again.

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                        @George-K said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

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                        Is this true? Trump anchored it to the beginning of the new administration?

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          Well, I would query TG about her disagreement with Trump's foreign policies.

                          It is in large part because of his foreign policies -- that I voted for Trump.

                          Let's see, how many wars did he start or escalate in the middle east? As many as the recent agreements between Israel and several of those little countries in the middle east? TG, that's called sarcasm on my part. Trump caused me to pay a 25% tariff on goods imported from China. TG, that's not sarcasm, but putting my country ahead of my substantial personal greed.

                          How about when Trump said to NATO allies, "That's OK, don't pay the 2% if you don't want to."

                          I do think Trump should have done more, like increase condemnation of China and what they did to Hong Kong. And, he could have done more to emphasize U.S. support of Taiwan, should the mainland try to pull a Hong Kong on Taiwan. TG, that was a totally messed up sentence, so I can feel equity in screwing up the English language. "Equity" is the new cool word BTW.

                          The CCP will have Biden in their back pocket, nine dashes and all on China's approved map. I do not adhere to conspiracy theories based upon Biden and Son. I have plenty enough of overwhelming paranoia to cover that ground and then some, enough to blanket the earth. Have there been enough metaphors in this post, yet? Impossible. Never enough. That's why I'll now go sweep under my own porch.

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                            @George-K said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

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                            Is this true? Trump anchored it to the beginning of the new administration?

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                            Loki
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                            Yeah Biden is going to save the country from Covid (Gore 2.0). That will be hilarious to watch him and the media go for that mantle. Seriously I can’t wait. Cheap scotch everywhere.

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                            • LarryL Larry

                              This is just how stupid the democrat party thinks it's base is. They will continue to ignore Trump'sbachievements, and then claim Biden did it. Assuming Biden ends up in office, the media and the democrat party will give Biden credit for the vaccine, when the shutdowns end and the economy bounces back they'll claim Biden did it, and 2 or 3 years from now when the wheels begin coming off the economy and we are heading down the toilet as a nation, it will be because Trump is campaigning again.

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                              @Larry said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

                              This is just how stupid the democrat party thinks it's base is. They will continue to ignore Trump'sbachievements, and then claim Biden did it. Assuming Biden ends up in office, the media and the democrat party will give Biden credit for the vaccine, when the shutdowns end and the economy bounces back they'll claim Biden did it, and 2 or 3 years from now when the wheels begin coming off the economy and we are heading down the toilet as a nation, it will be because Trump is campaigning again.

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                                Yeah Biden is going to save the country from Covid (Gore 2.0). That will be hilarious to watch him and the media go for that mantle. Seriously I can’t wait. Cheap scotch everywhere.

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                                @Loki said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

                                Yeah Biden is going to save the country from Covid (Gore 2.0). That will be hilarious to watch him and the media go for that mantle. Seriously I can’t wait. Cheap scotch everywhere.

                                I’d love to see the press conference.

                                I think we’ve all forgotten that before Trump presidents used to be able to talk about government plans and timelines without pretending they are some kind of personal accomplishment that made him better than Lincoln or whatever.

                                Remember when Presidents did the opposite? Both parties. They would actually say something like “thanks to all the hard work of...” and then reference the nameless staff in the departments.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  TDS. Trump repeatedly, daily even, praised and recognized his team and a whole lot of companies and individuals who contributed.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    @Loki said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

                                    Yeah Biden is going to save the country from Covid (Gore 2.0). That will be hilarious to watch him and the media go for that mantle. Seriously I can’t wait. Cheap scotch everywhere.

                                    I’d love to see the press conference.

                                    I think we’ve all forgotten that before Trump presidents used to be able to talk about government plans and timelines without pretending they are some kind of personal accomplishment that made him better than Lincoln or whatever.

                                    Remember when Presidents did the opposite? Both parties. They would actually say something like “thanks to all the hard work of...” and then reference the nameless staff in the departments.

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    @jon-nyc said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

                                    @Loki said in Ok Trump was right about vaccines:

                                    Yeah Biden is going to save the country from Covid (Gore 2.0). That will be hilarious to watch him and the media go for that mantle. Seriously I can’t wait. Cheap scotch everywhere.

                                    I’d love to see the press conference.

                                    I think we’ve all forgotten that before Trump presidents used to be able to talk about government plans and timelines without pretending they are some kind of personal accomplishment that made him better than Lincoln or whatever.

                                    Remember when Presidents did the opposite? Both parties. They would actually say something like “thanks to all the hard work of...” and then reference the nameless staff in the departments.

                                    Yeah, politicians never tried to take credit for things they had little to do with personally like killing Bin Laden, creating the internet, etc...

                                    The Brad

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                                      Nice little straw man you built there. Let me know if you need any help knocking it down, but you can probably handle it on your own.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        No question that Trump is far more brazen and crass with his self-promotion, but let’s not pretend that others haven’t done it, if only in a more understated manner.

                                        The Brad

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                                          That’s true. I was responding to Loki’s suggestion that Biden was presenting himself as the savior.

                                          I seriously doubt he did that.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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