Suspended for wrongspeak
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
in a professional environment
I dunno if this qualifies as a "professional environment."
an email to an individual student
But, you have to be careful what you say to anyone, lest they take your job, or as in Norway, lock you up.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
in a professional environment
I dunno if this qualifies as a "professional environment."
an email to an individual student
But, you have to be careful what you say to anyone, lest they take your job, or as in Norway, lock you up.
@George-K said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
in a professional environment
I dunno if this qualifies as a "professional environment."
If he's sending the email as part of his job using the university email address, then of course it's a professional environment.
I realise he's a Mechanical Engineer, so even basic social skills aren't exactly to be expected, but still, you'd think he'd have a clue. How would this go down if he'd sent it to a Chinese student?
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Here's how Reuters reported the new Norwegian law:
https://www.reuters.com/article/norway-lgbt-lawmaking-idUSKBN2852DL
Norway’s parliament outlawed hate speech against transgender people on Tuesday, expanding its penal code which has protected gay and lesbian people since 1981.
People found guilty of hate speech face a fine or up to a year in jail for private remarks, and a maximum of three years in jail for public comments, according to the penal code.
“I’m very relieved actually, because (the lack of legal protection) has been an eyesore for trans people for many, many years,” said Birna Rorslett, vice president of the Association of Transgender People in Norway.
Norway is one of the most liberal countries in Europe for LGBT+ people, allowing trans people to legally change gender without a medical diagnosis in 2016. But reported homophobic crimes have risen, according to advocacy group, ILGA-Europe.
Turley takes a deeper dive, and points out something that Reuters (and other outlets) didn't report:
We have previously discussed the alarming rollback on free speech rights in the West, particularly in Europe. The move to criminalize speech has led to an insatiable appetite for new limitations and broader prosecutions. Norway is an example of this headlong plunge into speech controls and crimes in the West. This week the legislature adopted (without even a vote) a new criminal law that punishes people for saying anything deemed hate speech toward transgender people in their own home or private conversations.
Minister of Justice and Public Security Monica Maeland declared victory because speech regulation must be “adapted to the practical situations that arise.” The “practical situation” includes speaking to your own spouse or family.
As we recently discussed, a poll in Germany found only 18 percent of Germans feel free to express their views in public. Notably, over 31 percent of Germans did not even feel free expressing themselves in private among friends. Just 17 percent felt free to express themselves on the Internet and 35 percent said that freedom to speak is confined to the smallest of private circles.
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Remember when Trump said something about people from Sweden or Norway as a the kind of immigrant he wanted to see come here?
Well, looks like we will be getting the bests of Scandinavia's free thinkers over the coming years.
@Kincaid said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
Remember when Trump said something about people from Sweden or Norway as a the kind of immigrant he wanted to see come here?
Well, looks like we will be getting the bests of Scandinavia's free thinkers over the coming years.
Either that or a ton of people who like using the 'N' word.
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Maybe, because it is a Chinese virus?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Same general reason the 1918 epidemic is called The Spanish Flu?
The Brad
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Same general reason the 1918 epidemic is called The Spanish Flu?
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@Jolly said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
Maybe, because it is a Chinese virus?
"Chinese virus" does have a connotation that's separate from the literal meaning of the words.
With everything we say, there are three levels of communication:
- What we say
- Underlying that is what we mean by what we say
- Underlying that, is what we want to have happen by saying what we said
You can't just say you're allowed to let the chips fall where they may and willfully ignore #2 and #3 when it's how you and everyone else in the world knowingly communicates.
So yeah, "Chinese virus" in the context of sars-cov-2 has other connotations outside of just where the virus originated.
That being said, it's insane and disturbing that that guy was suspended.
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Same general reason the 1918 epidemic is called The Spanish Flu?
@LuFins-Dad said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
Same general reason the 1918 epidemic is called The Spanish Flu?
Actually, not at all. The Spanish flu was so-called because it was one of the few countries that didn't censor reporting it in the press. It almost certainly didn't originate in Spain.
https://www.history.com/news/why-was-it-called-the-spanish-flu
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@Jolly said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
Maybe, because it is a Chinese virus?
"Chinese virus" does have a connotation that's separate from the literal meaning of the words.
With everything we say, there are three levels of communication:
- What we say
- Underlying that is what we mean by what we say
- Underlying that, is what we want to have happen by saying what we said
You can't just say you're allowed to let the chips fall where they may and willfully ignore #2 and #3 when it's how you and everyone else in the world knowingly communicates.
So yeah, "Chinese virus" in the context of sars-cov-2 has other connotations outside of just where the virus originated.
That being said, it's insane and disturbing that that guy was suspended.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
@Jolly said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
Maybe, because it is a Chinese virus?
"Chinese virus" does have a connotation that's separate from the literal meaning of the words.
With everything we say, there are three levels of communication:
- What we say
- Underlying that is what we mean by what we say
- Underlying that, is what we want to have happen by saying what we said
You can't just say you're allowed to let the chips fall where they may and willfully ignore #2 and #3 when it's how you and everyone else in the world knowingly communicates.
So yeah, "Chinese virus" in the context of sars-cov-2 has other connotations outside of just where the virus originated.
That being said, it's insane and disturbing that that guy was suspended.
But why ? Doesn’t it fall under the category of creating a hostile environment? I think the argument can easily be made.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
@Jolly said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
Maybe, because it is a Chinese virus?
"Chinese virus" does have a connotation that's separate from the literal meaning of the words.
With everything we say, there are three levels of communication:
- What we say
- Underlying that is what we mean by what we say
- Underlying that, is what we want to have happen by saying what we said
You can't just say you're allowed to let the chips fall where they may and willfully ignore #2 and #3 when it's how you and everyone else in the world knowingly communicates.
So yeah, "Chinese virus" in the context of sars-cov-2 has other connotations outside of just where the virus originated.
That being said, it's insane and disturbing that that guy was suspended.
But why ? Doesn’t it fall under the category of creating a hostile environment? I think the argument can easily be made.
@Loki said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
But why ?
- For the same reason you don't punch your friend in the throat for playing "made you look." It's a crazy overreaction. As others said, who tried talking to the guy first?
- Today's pedestrian definition of a hostile work environment (that is, how companies act in practice rather than what the courts decide) seems to be "anything anyone thinks is hostile, with special weight given to victims who have more social street cred than the assailants." How you take your coffee could constitute creating a hostile work environment, especially if the person accusing you is a transgender Somalian refugee and you're a white guy. If personal opinion is the litmus test, then of course the argument could be made. The bar's so low it's on the ground.
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@Loki said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
But why ?
- For the same reason you don't punch your friend in the throat for playing "made you look." It's a crazy overreaction. As others said, who tried talking to the guy first?
- Today's pedestrian definition of a hostile work environment (that is, how companies act in practice rather than what the courts decide) seems to be "anything anyone thinks is hostile, with special weight given to victims who have more social street cred than the assailants." How you take your coffee could constitute creating a hostile work environment, especially if the person accusing you is a transgender Somalian refugee and you're a white guy. If personal opinion is the litmus test, then of course the argument could be made. The bar's so low it's on the ground.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
@Loki said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
But why ?
- For the same reason you don't punch your friend in the throat for playing "made you look." It's a crazy overreaction. As others said, who tried talking to the guy first?
It is also possible that they'd already had a chat with him over something else, which might explain what appears to be an over-reaction.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
@Loki said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
But why ?
- For the same reason you don't punch your friend in the throat for playing "made you look." It's a crazy overreaction. As others said, who tried talking to the guy first?
It is also possible that they'd already had a chat with him over something else, which might explain what appears to be an over-reaction.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
@Loki said in Suspended for wrongspeak:
But why ?
- For the same reason you don't punch your friend in the throat for playing "made you look." It's a crazy overreaction. As others said, who tried talking to the guy first?
It is also possible that they'd already had a chat with him over something else, which might explain what appears to be an over-reaction.
Sure, if the premise was different, a last straw kind of situation might make the suspension completely reasonable. But we're pontificating about one news writeup involving people and an environment no one here knows personally, so just making shit up about the argument foundations seems completely okay.
