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Calling the States

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
    #394

    Well, it's true as far as it goes but it's a different point that LD and I were discussing.

    This is imagining JJ still in the race, but some of her supporters going to Trump. What LD and I were discussing was what might have happened if there had been no third party candidate. In that case you assume some of those votes are going to break for Biden too. Therefore the number of JJ voters Trump needs is larger than just the initial gap.

    Let's just play with their first example:

    Biden leads Trump by 12,813 votes in Arizona as of Wednesday, according to the Times. While the outcome hasn’t yet been declared by most media organizations, if Trump received roughly 25% of Jorgensen’s 50,636 votes, he would be ahead.

    Ok. Imagine JJ isn't in the race and ALL of those voters either go for Biden or Trump.

    Trump needs 31,725 of the 50,636 or 63%. Why the difference? Because Trump needs to cover the existing 12k gap PLUS an additional vote for every one Biden gets. (note that Trump getting 31,725 in this example means Biden gets the other 18,911. Those numbers are 12,814 apart - just enough for Trump to cover the original gap with one to spare).

    Note also that this assumes ALL the votes she got go instead to either Trump or Biden. If you make the more realistic assumption that some stay home or write in a name, then the percentage Trump needs of the reminder increases further.

    You were warned.

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
      #395

      Actually I gave them a bit too much credit. Based on the first sentence, they are in fact opining about what would happen if JJ was off the ballot.

      They just aren't good at thinking it through. Journos can't really math.

      You were warned.

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      • Catseye3C Offline
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        Catseye3
        wrote on last edited by
        #396

        @George-K said in Calling the States:

        the 2020 election may have gone to Trump had even a fraction showed up and voted for the president in a few swing states.

        If we had ham we could have ham and eggs for breakfast, if we had any eggs.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • Catseye3C Catseye3

          @George-K said in Calling the States:

          the 2020 election may have gone to Trump had even a fraction showed up and voted for the president in a few swing states.

          If we had ham we could have ham and eggs for breakfast, if we had any eggs.

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on last edited by
          #397

          @Catseye3 said in Calling the States:

          @George-K said in Calling the States:

          the 2020 election may have gone to Trump had even a fraction showed up and voted for the president in a few swing states.

          If we had ham we could have ham and eggs for breakfast, if we had any eggs.

          LOL

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #398

            NYT and all the remaining networks called AZ for Biden.

            You were warned.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #399

              AP called everything but GA, 290-232.
              FoxNews called everything but GA, 290-232.

              ABC called all the states, 306-232.
              CBS called all the states, 306-232.
              DecisionDesk HQ called all the states, 306-232.
              NBC called all the states, 306-232.
              NYT called all the states, 306-232.
              Reuters called all the states, 306-232.
              RCP called all the states, 306-232.

              You were warned.

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              • LarryL Offline
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                Larry
                wrote on last edited by
                #400

                The news media does not pick the winner.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
                  jon-nycJ Offline
                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                  #401

                  You’re right. We voters picked Biden. The media is just reporting the fact.

                  You were warned.

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                  • LarryL Offline
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                    Larry
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #402

                    It's yet to be proven that the voters actually picked Biden.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      AP called everything but GA, 290-232.
                      FoxNews called everything but GA, 290-232.

                      ABC called all the states, 306-232.
                      CBS called all the states, 306-232.
                      DecisionDesk HQ called all the states, 306-232.
                      NBC called all the states, 306-232.
                      NYT called all the states, 306-232.
                      Reuters called all the states, 306-232.
                      RCP called all the states, 306-232.

                      Catseye3C Offline
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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #403

                      @jon-nyc said in Calling the States:

                      AP called everything but GA, 290-232 and etc.

                      Thanks for this update, Jon.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • LarryL Larry

                        It's yet to be proven that the voters actually picked Biden.

                        jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #404

                        @Larry

                        You’ve moved from denial to bargaining, with occasional signs of decathexis.

                        That’s progress.

                        You were warned.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @Larry

                          You’ve moved from denial to bargaining, with occasional signs of decathexis.

                          That’s progress.

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                          Larry
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #405

                          @jon-nyc said in Calling the States:

                          @Larry

                          You’ve moved from denial to bargaining, with occasional signs of decathexis.

                          That’s progress.

                          Dream on, Alice. I'll send you a get well card when Biden loses and they have to commit you.

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                          • jon-nycJ Offline
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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #406

                            Pennsylvania, Nevada, MN, and NC certify their results.

                            https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-certifies-election-results-biden-trump-legal-challenges

                            You were warned.

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                            • LarryL Offline
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                              Larry
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #407

                              And you think that's the end of that, huh.....

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                              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #408

                                Pretty much.

                                Trump’s antics will continue. But that’s all they are at this point.

                                I do hope he appeals his PA case to Scotus. I’m not yet tired of watching him lose.

                                You were warned.

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                                • LarryL Offline
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                                  Larry
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #409

                                  Whatever will you do when you find out he lost?

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                                  • jon-nycJ Offline
                                    jon-nycJ Offline
                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #410

                                    In Scotus? Laugh my ass off and post about it here.

                                    You were warned.

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                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #411

                                      Think Trump will tweet about "taking back" his nominations for some or all of the three justices he nominated to the Supreme Court after he loses his election case there? That will be hilarious to watch.

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #412

                                        He could always try and pack the SCOTUS between now and January. Steve Bannon, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter....

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                          He could always try and pack the SCOTUS between now and January. Steve Bannon, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter....

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                                          Axtremus
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #413

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Calling the States:

                                          He could always try and pack the SCOTUS between now and January. Steve Bannon, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter....

                                          That would be hilarious too, probably more so considering Ann Coulter is glad that Trump lost.

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