Lockdown
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Shutting down businesses and paying people for lost wages for four to six weeks could help keep the coronavirus pandemic in check and get the economy on track until a vaccine is approved and distributed, said Dr. Michael Osterholm, a coronavirus advisor to President-elect Joe Biden.
Osterholm, who serves as director of the Center of Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said earlier this week that the country is headed toward “Covid hell.” Cases are rising as more people grow tired of wearing masks and social distancing, suffering from so-called “pandemic fatigue,” he said Wednesday. Colder weather is also driving people indoors where the virus can spread more easily.
A nationwide lockdown would drive the number of new cases and hospitalizations down to manageable levels while the world awaits a vaccine, he told Yahoo Finance on Wednesday.
“We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages for individual workers for losses to small companies to medium-sized companies or city, state, county governments. We could do all of that,” he said. “If we did that, then we could lockdown for four-to-six weeks.”
Osterholm was appointed to Biden’s 12-member Covid “advisory board” on Monday. The panel of advisors is co-chaired by former Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner David Kessler and Dr. Marcella Nunez-Smith of Yale University. Other task force members include Dr. Atul Gawande, a professor of surgery and health policy at Harvard, and Dr. Rick Bright, the vaccine expert and whistleblower who resigned his post with the Trump administration last month.
A representative for Biden did not return CNBC’s request for comment.
Osterholm on Wednesday referenced an August op-ed he wrote with Minneapolis Federal Reserve President Neel Kashkari in which the two argued for more restrictive and uniform lockdowns across the nation.
“The problem with the March-to-May lockdown was that it was not uniformly stringent across the country. For example, Minnesota deemed 78 percent of its workers essential,” they wrote in the New York Times. “To be effective, the lockdown has to be as comprehensive and strict as possible.”
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A lockdown sounds like the worst idea to me at this point. Where is the data that identifies the businesses to be shut down as the cause?
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To me, best and easiest:
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mask requirement
(I know this won't happen, but people need to think of society sometimes ahead of themeselves and politics) -
social distancing
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detailed contract tracing
(seems to be voluntary in the US, if it is done at all. And a friend was telling me that when it is done, many/most people refuse to cooperate.)
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@Jolly still don’t understand how some of the request/requirements are not allowing people to live free?
Its like the actions people are taking are NOT allowing people to be free.
I would say right now, from a virus standpoint, countries like Taiwan and Thailand are much freer than the US.
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Here in MA there's a curfew between 10pm and 5am. I guess it stops bars and night-clubs, but I can't see it making much difference overall.
Judging by the traffic I see, a ton of people are working as normal.
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@Jolly still don’t understand how some of the request/requirements are not allowing people to live free?
Its like the actions people are taking are NOT allowing people to be free.
I would say right now, from a virus standpoint, countries like Taiwan and Thailand are much freer than the US.
governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
We don't like the governor to make up rules without our consent
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@Jolly still don’t understand how some of the request/requirements are not allowing people to live free?
Its like the actions people are taking are NOT allowing people to be free.
I would say right now, from a virus standpoint, countries like Taiwan and Thailand are much freer than the US.
@taiwan_girl said in Lockdown:
@Jolly still don’t understand how some of the request/requirements are not allowing people to live free?
Its like the actions people are taking are NOT allowing people to be free.
I would say right now, from a virus standpoint, countries like Taiwan and Thailand are much freer than the US.
Define "freedom".
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@taiwan_girl said in Lockdown:
@Jolly still don’t understand how some of the request/requirements are not allowing people to live free?
Its like the actions people are taking are NOT allowing people to be free.
I would say right now, from a virus standpoint, countries like Taiwan and Thailand are much freer than the US.
Define "freedom".
@taiwan_girl said in Lockdown:
@Jolly still don’t understand how some of the request/requirements are not allowing people to live free?
Its like the actions people are taking are NOT allowing people to be free.
I would say right now, from a virus standpoint, countries like Taiwan and Thailand are much freer than the US.
Define "freedom".
In terms of the virus, it means having all businesses open, and as important, no fear from people going to those businesses.
I know in the US, there are some states which are saying they’re fully open, but I am guessing there is still a large percent of people who are avoiding some of those businesses due to fears in the virus.
In Thailand for example, everything internally is full open. Restaurants, pubs, shopping mall, wedding stores, etc.
People still wear a mask, and they do want to know your information if you go into a restaurant or pub For contact tracing purposes
You give up some of your privacy freedom in order to have the business is open. So some people in the US who complain about conditions imposed on businesses, are the same people complain about not wanting to wear a mask, not wanting to contact trace, not wanting to social distance. Unfortunately, I’m not sure you can do it both sides.
Now of course, Thailand extended the virus bubble over the whole country. There has not been a internal transmitted case in over 200 days.
But getting into the country is very difficult. So there has been an economic disaster for some businesses that are related to tourism. But I think that would’ve happened even if they didn’t make it so difficult to get into the country.
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@Jolly still don’t understand how some of the request/requirements are not allowing people to live free?
Its like the actions people are taking are NOT allowing people to be free.
I would say right now, from a virus standpoint, countries like Taiwan and Thailand are much freer than the US.
@taiwan_girl said in Lockdown:
@Jolly still don’t understand how some of the request/requirements are not allowing people to live free?
Its like the actions people are taking are NOT allowing people to be free.
I would say right now, from a virus standpoint, countries like Taiwan and Thailand are much freer than the US.
Then go live there and stop telling Americans what to do.
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Osterholm, who serves as director of the Center of Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said earlier this week that the country is headed toward “Covid hell.” Cases are rising as more people grow tired of wearing masks and social distancing, suffering from so-called “pandemic fatigue,” he said.
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“We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages for individual workers for losses to small companies to medium-sized companies or city, state, county governments. We could do all of that,” he said. “If we did that, then we could lockdown for four-to-six weeks.”
Osterholm was appointed to Biden’s 12-member Covid “advisory board” on Monday.
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A representative for Biden did not return CNBC’s request for comment.
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CNN this morning: "Biden, it was made clear Thursday, does not share that view. "His comments were not in line with the PEOTUS view," a transition aide said."
Other newsies may have elaborated on this.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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Osterholm, who serves as director of the Center of Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said earlier this week that the country is headed toward “Covid hell.” Cases are rising as more people grow tired of wearing masks and social distancing, suffering from so-called “pandemic fatigue,” he said.
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“We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages for individual workers for losses to small companies to medium-sized companies or city, state, county governments. We could do all of that,” he said. “If we did that, then we could lockdown for four-to-six weeks.”
Osterholm was appointed to Biden’s 12-member Covid “advisory board” on Monday.
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A representative for Biden did not return CNBC’s request for comment.
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CNN this morning: "Biden, it was made clear Thursday, does not share that view. "His comments were not in line with the PEOTUS view," a transition aide said."
Other newsies may have elaborated on this.
CNN this morning: "Biden, it was made clear Thursday, does not share that view. "His comments were not in line with the PEOTUS view," a transition aide said."
So did he revoke the appointment because this guy's views don't jibe with PEOTUS?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Osterholm, who serves as director of the Center of Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said earlier this week that the country is headed toward “Covid hell.” Cases are rising as more people grow tired of wearing masks and social distancing, suffering from so-called “pandemic fatigue,” he said.
<snip>
“We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages for individual workers for losses to small companies to medium-sized companies or city, state, county governments. We could do all of that,” he said. “If we did that, then we could lockdown for four-to-six weeks.”
Osterholm was appointed to Biden’s 12-member Covid “advisory board” on Monday.
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A representative for Biden did not return CNBC’s request for comment.
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CNN this morning: "Biden, it was made clear Thursday, does not share that view. "His comments were not in line with the PEOTUS view," a transition aide said."
Other newsies may have elaborated on this.
Osterholm, who serves as director of the Center of Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said earlier this week that the country is headed toward “Covid hell.” Cases are rising as more people grow tired of wearing masks and social distancing, suffering from so-called “pandemic fatigue,” he said.
<snip>
“We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages for individual workers for losses to small companies to medium-sized companies or city, state, county governments. We could do all of that,” he said. “If we did that, then we could lockdown for four-to-six weeks.”
Osterholm was appointed to Biden’s 12-member Covid “advisory board” on Monday.
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A representative for Biden did not return CNBC’s request for comment.
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CNN this morning: "Biden, it was made clear Thursday, does not share that view. "His comments were not in line with the PEOTUS view," a transition aide said."
Other newsies may have elaborated on this.
Well it's gospel then. Because everyone knows Biden would NEVER say one thing one day and the opposite the next day... and we all know that CNN is totally trustworthy...
Hahahahaaaaaaaa
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CNN this morning: "Biden, it was made clear Thursday, does not share that view. "His comments were not in line with the PEOTUS view," a transition aide said."
So did he revoke the appointment because this guy's views don't jibe with PEOTUS?
But to play devil advocate, it is good to have different views in the room. You dont want just a group of "yes men" in the room to agree with everything you say. That is just as bad, maybe more bad.
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CNN this morning: "Biden, it was made clear Thursday, does not share that view. "His comments were not in line with the PEOTUS view," a transition aide said."
So did he revoke the appointment because this guy's views don't jibe with PEOTUS?
Hold on
Views?
democrat views?
The democrats haven't done even one thing in the last 4 years that wasn't motivated by hate for Mr. Trump.
That is the only view, it is singular
There are no views, just hate Trump
Well, maybe green new deal and Hunter's new jobs
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