What’s your over/under on a Trump family indictment?
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I never thought Trump be indicted, I and I don't think Biden will be either.
I thought the whole thing was a joke, and this latest astonishing revelation is 3 weeks before the election, so we pretty much know what that means.
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@Larry said in What’s your over/under on a Trump family indictment?:
One post where you say you don't think he will be indicted does not negate the 3 years of posts you've written that showed you believed it. Lol
Don't even TRY to deny that you did that.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/the_new_coffee_room/manafort-rolls-t111964.html
Xenon: I wish this whole Mueller thing would end ASAP. It takes valuable oxygen from national discussions that are actually pressing (healthcare, automation, increasing competitiveness of the world, international security, etc.)
Davis: And if Mueller finds no Russian Collusion? What say you, or do you want it both ways?
Xenon: I don't want anything - I don't care about Mueller
To clarify -
First - I don't even know what the goal post is here anymore.
If Russia offers to help and and American accepts or entertains it, is that bad?
If Russia offers to help and an American accepts and offers reciprocation (e.g., repeal Magnitsky Act), is that bad?
Does the help have to be the deciding factor in the election (I think this is a red herring - too many factors to prove anything is the deciding factor).
So - those waters are clear as mud to begin with and people will continue to dirty them to help their own political side.
Second - if Mueller finds nothing - Fantastic!!! At least our President isn't a Russian tool - I think he's a horrible enough person as it is.
It's a shame that all this attention was paid to him, but again that's our fault for wanting a scandal as an audience and also Trump's fault for feeding this story.
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It feels like one way or another Trump will be ever present during the Biden Presidency.
Normally you would want to move on and not indict so that you are not mired and ruin your agenda.
In this case Trump could be such a pain that you might wan legal pressure on him.
Hard to say unless the deal is both sides stand down.t
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@Loki said in What’s your over/under on a Trump family indictment?:
It feels like one way or another Trump will be ever present during the Biden Presidency.
Normally you would want to move on and not indict so that you are not mired and ruin your agenda.
In this case Trump could be such a pain that you might wan legal pressure on him.
Hard to say unless the deal is both sides stand down.t
Primetime slot. Anderson Cooper vs. Tucker vs. Rachel vs. Trump
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@Loki said in What’s your over/under on a Trump family indictment?:
It feels like one way or another Trump will be ever present during the Biden Presidency.
Normally you would want to move on and not indict so that you are not mired and ruin your agenda.
In this case Trump could be such a pain that you might wan legal pressure on him.
Hard to say unless the deal is both sides stand down.t
There isn't going to be a Biden presidency.
Hahahaha
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@jon-nyc said in What’s your over/under on a Trump family indictment?:
Read his twitter. They are the posts of a man in desperation. It's his only chance for victory now. To try to paint his opponent as a criminal. It is just really pure projection. Projection is what he's been doing since he walked into the White House. Accuse another vehemently of what you've been guilty of all along. Cuz he knows the second he is escorted out the door, the beautiful state of New York will be waiting with indictments.
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Chances that a New York DA will convince a Grand Jury to indict Trump or a Trump family member is about 100%
The chance that the indictment leads to more than a fine...I'd put that at about 15%.
In any case, right now I am pretty sure Trump wins a 2nd term and dies in office.
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Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance, who enforces New York state laws, has been conducting a criminal investigation into Trump and the Trump Organization for more than two years.
The probe originally focused on hush money payments that Trump’s former lawyer and self-described fixer Michael Cohen paid before the 2016 election to two women who said they had sexual encounters with Trump, which the president has denied.
Vance, a Democrat, has suggested in recent court filings that his probe is now broader and could focus on bank, tax and insurance fraud, as well as falsification of business records.
Republican Trump has called Vance’s case politically motivated harassment.
The case has drawn attention because of Vance’s efforts to obtain eight years of Trump’s tax returns. In July, the U.S. Supreme Court, denying Trump’s bid to keep the returns under wraps, said the president was not immune from state criminal probes while in office, but could raise other defenses to Vance’s subpoena.
Vance will likely ultimately prevail in obtaining Trump’s financial records, legal experts said.
The U.S. Justice Department has said a sitting president cannot be indicted. Vance is not bound by that policy because he is not a federal prosecutor, but he may still have been reluctant to charge Trump because of uncertainty over whether the case was constitutional, said Harry Sandick, a former prosecutor in New York.
“Those concerns will disappear when Trump leaves office,” Sandick said.
The investigation poses a threat to Trump, said Corey Brettschneider, a professor of political science at Brown University.
“The fact that they have issued the subpoenas and have litigated all the way to the Supreme Court suggests that this is a very serious criminal investigation of the president,” Brettschneider said.
The good news for Trump is Biden has said a DoJ investigation of him after he leaves office would be bad for democracy.
But NY state will likely be a real problem for the Trumps. Assuming they stay in the country.
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He mentioned that if he loses he might leave the country.
Where I’m going with this thread is they have a lot of legal problems that were essentially on hold while he was in office. All that changes in January. The case being pursued by Vance is criminal.
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Re “all these threads” take each one on its own. That’s why they’re different threads.
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Maybe he’ll start his own country! Get some investors together and buy a large island...
Me/rry/Christmas
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@LuFins-Dad said in What’s your over/under on a Trump family indictment?:
Maybe he’ll start his own country! Get some investors together and buy a large island...
Which investors will still trust Trump with their money?
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Maybe one way to help in answering this question -- since we can't really know for certain what will happen -- is to think about his motives for seeking a second term so energetically. His first term can't have been a joyride for him, at least from the bits we the public were allowed to see.
There were many moments of humiliation for him, not something he handles well. (Remember the booing at the baseball park?) I would not have been surprised if he had chosen not to run again, on some pretext.
It could be that his pursuit of re-election was fueled by his certain knowledge of his fate in New York.
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I read this thread and am absolutely amazed at how crazy the Left truly are.
Sock has been wrong about everything he's said for the last 4 years, but he just keeps on saying it. Same with Ax. But they have an excuse - they're both idiots. Jon can't use that as an excuse.
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@Catseye3 said in What’s your over/under on a Trump family indictment?:
is to think about his motives for seeking a second term so energetically.
I think it it just the ego of power - not only for President Trump but for anyone in that position.
For a rational mind, the job of President is terrible. Half the people hate you no matter what you do. Lots of things are outside your control. There is never any “down time”. You really don’t have a life. Etc etc
But the aspect of power is very flattering and strong. I think that is what “drives” these people.
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Except the Trump organization is under active criminal investigation and has been for 2 years.
Hunter has been investigated by Giuliani and Carlson since late October.
