Calling the States
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@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:17 last edited by@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
In essence we have to say the media spectacle last night was utter bullshit because it was tracking a misleading narrative. If we want to wait until all the votes are counted stop with the stupid analytics that are pretty but missing so much relevant info and clogging our heads with nothingness.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:29 last edited by
Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:34 last edited by
And what ever happens, I think trumps statement last night was one of the really stupidest thing I have ever heard even him say.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:35 last edited by
Yeah...
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:37 last edited by
We should NOT have to accept ballots being counted where the signatures don't match, or thousands of ballots that suddenly get "found" that came out of thin air in a state where the governor stated long before election day that Biden WOULD win his state.
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Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:38 last edited by Loki 11 Apr 2020, 14:39@bachophile said in Calling the States:
Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
Pennsylvania is a disagrace. Prompt election results are a critical component of an election. There is no excuse for how they decided to count. Almost every other state realized this. I don’t understand why you think it doesn’t matter
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CNN just said Michigan is now blue
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:42 last edited by@bachophile said in Calling the States:
CNN just said Michigan is now blue
But not by much. According to my Google setup, it's 49.4% Biden and 49.1 Trump. I'm reading this at 9:42 AM EST.
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@bachophile said in Calling the States:
Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
Pennsylvania is a disagrace. Prompt election results are a critical component of an election. There is no excuse for how they decided to count. Almost every other state realized this. I don’t understand why you think it doesn’t matter
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:48 last edited by bachophile 11 Apr 2020, 14:49@Loki said in Calling the States:
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
Pennsylvania is a disagrace. Prompt election results are a critical component of an election. There is no excuse for how they decided to count. Almost every other state realized this. I don’t understand why you think it doesn’t matter
au contraire, i think their system of tallying votes is totally fucked up. but there is a big difference between annoying and illegal
the simple solution would be to have a federally mandated nation election law making one standard conforming system for all 50 states. oh, but that would violate the golden principle of independent state rights.
cant have it both ways, if the states can decide, then they can be as annoying as they want to their citizenry. if its a national mandate, then the states will have to relinquish said right. dont think the republicans here would like that.
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We should NOT have to accept ballots being counted where the signatures don't match, or thousands of ballots that suddenly get "found" that came out of thin air in a state where the governor stated long before election day that Biden WOULD win his state.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:50 last edited byi agree, no invalid votes. just count the legal ones.
but those that think the there are thousands of invalid ones, please show the evidence
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i agree, no invalid votes. just count the legal ones.
but those that think the there are thousands of invalid ones, please show the evidence
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 14:54 last edited by@bachophile said in Calling the States:
i agree, no invalid votes. just count the legal ones.
but those that think the there are thousands of invalid ones, please show the evidence
And there could be just as many fraud votes by Republics as Democrats.
Democrats don’t hold the “evil“ card between the two parties and Republics don’t hold the “good” card when it comes to voting.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:02 last edited by
A trove of 138K votes for Biden, and none for Trump were found.
Talk about landslide:
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:04 last edited by
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:11 last edited by
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How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:11 last edited by@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
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@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:14 last edited byAbsolutely. I find it ironic the United States sends observers to foreign countries to facilitate elections and they can’t get it right themselves.
But be that as it may, I agree results should be timely. But that’s not an excuse to say, well, your votes don’t count. Too bad. Let’s call it right now and ignore your votes.
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@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:25 last edited by@Loki said in Calling the States:
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
As Mr. Hanlon said, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:34 last edited by
I had zero issue with Trump winning last night, until he went full moron that speech.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:41 last edited by
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@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:45 last edited by@Loki said in Calling the States:
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
I don’t think this country has ever had results on election night. Often it becomes “callable” based on partial results.
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@Loki said in Calling the States:
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
I don’t think this country has ever had results on election night. Often it becomes “callable” based on partial results.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 15:55 last edited by@xenon said in Calling the States:
@Loki said in Calling the States:
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
I don’t think this country has ever had results on election night. Often it becomes “callable” based on partial results.
Isn’t that why the inauguration used to be in March? Because of the time it took to finalize the voting Wayback a long time ago?