Calling the States
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@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
It's incredible, isn't it. For a country that aspires, and often claims, to be the democracy that the rest of the world should aspire to be, the level of undemocratic behaviour and language used is ridiculous. It's more like the behaviour you'd expect from a banana republic.
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@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
It's incredible, isn't it. For a country that aspires, and often claims, to be the democracy that the rest of the world should aspire to be, the level of undemocratic behaviour and language used is ridiculous. It's more like the behaviour you'd expect from a banana republic.
@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
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@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
And when somebody says they dislike Trump, it's described as a derangement syndrome. There's a lot to dislike IMHO.
Believing everything he says seems pretty deranged to me. It's almost like he's got Jedi mind skills. 'These are not the votes you're looking for...'
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@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
You have it backwards. The election and the voting is supposed to STOP once the polls close on election day. Instead, you have one state that's planning to count votes until they get Biden elected, that's just one situation.
For months and months the pollsters have told us Biden was ahead in the polls. Every damned one of them has been exposed now for the crooks they are. There was going to be a "blue wave" - didnt happen. We have said for months that this mail in voting shit was a setup to allow the democrats to steal the election, and that is now undeniable.
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@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
In essence we have to say the media spectacle last night was utter bullshit because it was tracking a misleading narrative. If we want to wait until all the votes are counted stop with the stupid analytics that are pretty but missing so much relevant info and clogging our heads with nothingness.
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Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
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And what ever happens, I think trumps statement last night was one of the really stupidest thing I have ever heard even him say.
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Yeah...
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We should NOT have to accept ballots being counted where the signatures don't match, or thousands of ballots that suddenly get "found" that came out of thin air in a state where the governor stated long before election day that Biden WOULD win his state.
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Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
Pennsylvania is a disagrace. Prompt election results are a critical component of an election. There is no excuse for how they decided to count. Almost every other state realized this. I don’t understand why you think it doesn’t matter
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CNN just said Michigan is now blue
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
CNN just said Michigan is now blue
But not by much. According to my Google setup, it's 49.4% Biden and 49.1 Trump. I'm reading this at 9:42 AM EST.
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@bachophile said in Calling the States:
Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
Pennsylvania is a disagrace. Prompt election results are a critical component of an election. There is no excuse for how they decided to count. Almost every other state realized this. I don’t understand why you think it doesn’t matter
@Loki said in Calling the States:
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
Pennsylvania is a disagrace. Prompt election results are a critical component of an election. There is no excuse for how they decided to count. Almost every other state realized this. I don’t understand why you think it doesn’t matter
au contraire, i think their system of tallying votes is totally fucked up. but there is a big difference between annoying and illegal
the simple solution would be to have a federally mandated nation election law making one standard conforming system for all 50 states. oh, but that would violate the golden principle of independent state rights.
cant have it both ways, if the states can decide, then they can be as annoying as they want to their citizenry. if its a national mandate, then the states will have to relinquish said right. dont think the republicans here would like that.
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We should NOT have to accept ballots being counted where the signatures don't match, or thousands of ballots that suddenly get "found" that came out of thin air in a state where the governor stated long before election day that Biden WOULD win his state.
i agree, no invalid votes. just count the legal ones.
but those that think the there are thousands of invalid ones, please show the evidence
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i agree, no invalid votes. just count the legal ones.
but those that think the there are thousands of invalid ones, please show the evidence
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
i agree, no invalid votes. just count the legal ones.
but those that think the there are thousands of invalid ones, please show the evidence
And there could be just as many fraud votes by Republics as Democrats.
Democrats don’t hold the “evil“ card between the two parties and Republics don’t hold the “good” card when it comes to voting.
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A trove of 138K votes for Biden, and none for Trump were found.
Talk about landslide:
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
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How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
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@bachophile said in Calling the States:
How can there be a massive conspiracy in four states involving hundreds of vote counters and not one scrap of evidence?
I am not addressing conspiracy I am addressing the right for timely results. It’s unconscionable for some states to set up a mechanism where the counting isn’t over. It is as simple as that. People have a right to be LIVID
Absolutely. I find it ironic the United States sends observers to foreign countries to facilitate elections and they can’t get it right themselves.
But be that as it may, I agree results should be timely. But that’s not an excuse to say, well, your votes don’t count. Too bad. Let’s call it right now and ignore your votes.
