Thievery, most foul?

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Thievery, most foul?:

They've certainly managed to concoct a news story out of a bunch of stuff they don't feel comfortable airing.

No, there's some stuff that Tucker won't air. Their are allegations of some photos on Hunter's laptop that indicate pedophilia or at the least seriously inappropriate behavior. There are also photos of drug use.

Neither has much bearing on the influence peddling story...

[Mik]

I haven't seen any of the kiddie pics and don't really care too. Coke and meth heads do some really depraved stuff.

[Loki]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Thievery, most foul?:

@Mik said in Thievery, most foul?:

As for the contents of the documents, it's tautologically true that they aren't important enough to report on.

Exactly. Where’s the beef??? FFS

[taiwan_girl]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Thievery, most foul?:

@Jolly said in Thievery, most foul?:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Thievery, most foul?:

He's not smart enough to use an ftp site or dropbox to transfer files.

Honestly - they mail this stuff on USB sticks? LOLz.

Dear of hacking?

According to Tucker's original video, the files were sent to a Fox producer, and he was sending them to Tucker as he was working remotely in California.

Now, I don't know about you, but I deal with highly confidential documents on a daily basis as part of my job, and we would never, ever, send them on a stick via a courier or via snail-mail. We have encryption processes set up, and internal networking that allows us to access these documents immediately.

As a matter of fact, our laptops are locked to prevent us from putting anything on a USB stick, due to security concerns.

If we had to send all our files via the mail, we'd never get anything done. And clearly, if you believe this story, the courier is a long way from being secure.

There's something about this whole story that doesn't make sense.

This!!!

We have a secure server we can log onto and it is coded from end to end.

In fact, some of the sites/offices I have visited, they place a thin tape over the USB ports on a computer, just to ensure that you are not passing any information via USB. You cannot rip the tape cleanly and replace it, so when you leave, they look at the tape to see if it has been tampered with.

What seems suspicious about this story is that most sorting of mail and packages is not done by humans, but is all automated. So, I find it hard to believe that out of all the thousands/millions of packages, this one "anonymous" package was somehow noticed and pulled off the conveyer belt that is speeding along at multiple kilometers/hr.

Maybe it had bright neon yellow packaging that said - "DO NOT STEAL. THIS CONTAINS TOP SECRET CONFIDENTIAL AND VERY EXPENSIVE INFORMATION ON VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN"

[Aqua Letifer]

@taiwan_girl said in Thievery, most foul?:

What seems suspicious about this story is that most sorting of mail and packages is not done by humans, but is all automated.

Uh, no. Not even close. UPS interviewed everyone who works for them who handled the package to try to find out what happened. It was a good handful many people.

There's a shitload of manpower involved in transportation.

[Doctor Phibes]

You guys are living in the stone age.

Posting USB sticks in the mail. Seriously, guys. This is fucking hilarious.

[taiwan_girl]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Thievery, most foul?:

@taiwan_girl said in Thievery, most foul?:

What seems suspicious about this story is that most sorting of mail and packages is not done by humans, but is all automated.

Uh, no. Not even close. UPS interviewed everyone who works for them who handled the package to try to find out what happened. It was a good handful many people.

There's a shitload of manpower involved in transportation.

“Handled the package” is a bit misleading.

From an article about UPS

“ It usually starts with pickup and ends with delivery -- every weekday UPS delivers more than 14.8 million packages and documents worldwide. But pickup and delivery are a tiny part of the process. The much bigger, more impressive, more complex step is the sort, which separates and organizes all those packages. It's entirely automated, and it turns one huge, random pile of packages into lots of small, organized piles.”

Unless the guy picking up the package did something to it, I think it would be almost impossible for another human to pick the “needle from the hay” once it reached a sorting place.

[Aqua Letifer]

I don't know what to tell you, other than UPS supports everything Carlson has mentioned about the incident, and I don't think shipping is as automated as you think it is.

In this specific case, UPS personally interviewed every one of its employees who personally handled the package, of which there were many. UPS—not just Carlson, but UPS—also claims that the missing thumb drive was found by one of its employees at a UPS sorting facility on 43rd street.

Carlson never claimed a DNC conspiracy was behind the missing package. He didn't speculate about the reason for the contents to be removed at all. But what he said—the package went missing, its contents were removed, and then later the contents were found by someone who worked at the sorting facility, and no one has any idea how any of this happened—has all been publicly supported by UPS. So if Carlson's making shit up, so is UPS.

[Rainman]

@taiwan_girl said in Thievery, most foul?:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Thievery, most foul?:

@taiwan_girl said in Thievery, most foul?:

What seems suspicious about this story is that most sorting of mail and packages is not done by humans, but is all automated.

Uh, no. Not even close. UPS interviewed everyone who works for them who handled the package to try to find out what happened. It was a good handful many people.

There's a shitload of manpower involved in transportation.

“Handled the package” is a bit misleading.

From an article about UPS

“ It usually starts with pickup and ends with delivery -- every weekday UPS delivers more than 14.8 million packages and documents worldwide. But pickup and delivery are a tiny part of the process. The much bigger, more impressive, more complex step is the sort, which separates and organizes all those packages. It's entirely automated, and it turns one huge, random pile of packages into lots of small, organized piles.”

Unless the guy picking up the package did something to it, I think it would be almost impossible for another human to pick the “needle from the hay” once it reached a sorting place.

TG, you are so funny.
If someone says "he did it" and the other person says "yes, I did it" then only TG can come along and know more than the person (or UPS in this instance). It couldn't be your ideology kicking in again, could it? And PLEASE don't say you're in the middle, not sure who is being honest, you're on the fence, they're both right, they're both wrong, you could believe either side.
Well OK, go ahead. You're quite transparent, actually (Tucker always says, "actually"). And, you could be right. Or wrong. Or both.

[Jolly]

Link to video

[Mik]

Good piece.

[Axtremus]

Yeah, now Tucker believes Hunter is not a bad person. Tucker has nothing to show. That segment is just Tucker’s lame attempt at saving face while backing away from the topic. A better man would simply acknowledge that he had not do enough due diligence before spreading unsubstantiated allegations on the air.

[Catseye3]

@taiwan_girl said in Thievery, most foul?:

Maybe it had bright neon yellow packaging that said - "DO NOT STEAL. THIS CONTAINS TOP SECRET CONFIDENTIAL AND VERY EXPENSIVE INFORMATION ON VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN"

 855555555.

Gonna go out on a limb. I keep getting a vibe that Tuckie is harboring political aspirations of his own.
If he's relying on promises of support from Trump, his political career will probably be shorter than his dancing career.

[George K]

@Catseye3 said in Thievery, most foul?:

I keep getting a vibe that Tuckie is harboring political aspirations

Hmm, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

[taiwan_girl]

@Aqua-Letifer @Rainman

My point is that to intentionally find one package out of Thousands/millions to open seems far side for me. How would some sorting employee know to look for a specific package? And why would they know about that ONE package when I am sure that Mr Carlson gets hundreds of letters/packages addressed to him every day.

To me, “ Handling” a package at the sorting factory does not mean that someone is picking it up, reading the address, Examining it, putting it in in box, and then moving to the next. Mail would take months to go from one place to the other if we did that. How many letters could one person sort if things were done that way?

They are taking a big box/truck of letters/packages, maybe sorting by size and putting them in machines which scan them to further sort. They are not reading each individual addresses. I don’t believe that.

I think the following MAY have happened:

I think it is possible/probable that the pickup person may have had something to do with it.

Or
The package got got in a machine which broke open the package (This has happened to me before)

Or
Mr Carlson tip off someone in UPS to “steal” the package so he could get a news story out of his missing package

I am not a conspiracy person and while I know Mr Carlson did not say that there was a conspiracy, he seems to kind of imply it.

[Doctor Phibes]

It's a mysterie

[Aqua Letifer]

@taiwan_girl said in Thievery, most foul?:

The package got got in a machine which broke open the package (This has happened to me before)

UPS said this was basically impossible considering how the package was opened.

You're assuming this all had to be premeditated. The most likely and most plausible explanation, based on the actual evidence we can believe, is that some rando opportunist screwed with the package. He saw the delivery address, said, "oh hey!" and removed its contents in one of the few places in the facility that doesn't have cameras. That last has been proven true: there's no video evidence UPS has, according to them, but they publicly reported it being opened and the contents removed.

[Aqua Letifer]

@taiwan_girl said in Thievery, most foul?:

To me, “ Handling” a package at the sorting factory does not mean that someone is picking it up, reading the address, Examining it, putting it in in box, and then moving to the next. Mail would take months to go from one place to the other if we did that. How many letters could one person sort if things were done that way?

Get a seasonal job at a sorting facility and if you make it a week, try to tell me there's no manpower involved. There's a reason sorters are mostly ex-cons and during holidays, people desperate for extra cash.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Thievery, most foul?:

It's a mysterie

Basically.

I don't understand what's so impossible about a mail guy, in 2020, finding a quick opportunity to screw with a package bound for one of the most antagonistic public figures on Fox news. Either that or they didn't even read the damn label and thought the contents were something they could pawn.

There's no DNC conspiracy and no one involved is saying there is. But Carlson's account of what happened to the package is backed up entirely by UPS, so guess what, that shit happened, I'm sorry. Rando opportunism seems most plausible.

[Mik]

Agreed, Aqua. Lone wolf.