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  • KlausK Offline
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    #27

    Why does higher education have to have a single purpose?

    Skill training is of course a major component of higher education. More general "cultivation of the mind and character" (to quote Humbold) is another major component.

    One of these isn't much worth without the other.

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    • KlausK Klaus

      Why does higher education have to have a single purpose?

      Skill training is of course a major component of higher education. More general "cultivation of the mind and character" (to quote Humbold) is another major component.

      One of these isn't much worth without the other.

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      @Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:

      Why does higher education have to have a single purpose?

      Skill training is of course a major component of higher education. More general "cultivation of the mind and character" (to quote Humbold) is another major component.

      One of these isn't much worth without the other.

      Lots of mind cultivation goes on in common core, amirite @Rainman?

      Education is extremely important.

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        I think STEM education combined with classic liberal arts classes, makes for a well-rounded young person.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          I think STEM education combined with classic liberal arts classes, makes for a well-rounded young person.

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          @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:

          I think STEM education combined with classic liberal arts classes, makes for a well-rounded young person.

          I'd agree, except I would use the acronym STEAM.
          The arts are not just music of course. But including the arts in general interjects the creative component, the entrepreneurial side, the "right brain" side even though that's inaccurate of how the brain works.

          As for Horace's Common Core bait, nah, I'm swimming away from that rant for now.

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            @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:

            I think STEM education combined with classic liberal arts classes, makes for a well-rounded young person.

            I'd agree, except I would use the acronym STEAM.
            The arts are not just music of course. But including the arts in general interjects the creative component, the entrepreneurial side, the "right brain" side even though that's inaccurate of how the brain works.

            As for Horace's Common Core bait, nah, I'm swimming away from that rant for now.

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            @Rainman said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:

            I'd agree, except I would use the acronym STEAM.

            I don't like it because it's still unbalanced.

            Science
            Technology
            Engineering
            Arts
            Mathematics

            Joke.

            Oh and by the way, true entrepreneurs (read: not just business owners) have much, much more in common with arts students than business students.

            Please love yourself.

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              @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:

              Oh and by the way, true entrepreneurs (read: not just business owners) have much, much more in common with arts students than business students.

              Very true. That's something Peterson covered as well. Creaters create the idea and the business, then the left-brainers are needed to run it because creative people can't do it, don't want to do it, get bored, get overwhelmed with the day-to-day perfunctory tasks, run off with the secretary, eat too much, get fat, invent a new diet gadget, hire middle-managers to run the new business, entrepreneur runs away from the daily grind, starts drinking, stays drunk, eats too much, gets fatter, joins TNCR, and so on.
              We've all been there, no question.

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                I think there is probably a repellant force between artists and school. So maybe this is not a simple conversation.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  I think there is probably a repellant force between artists and school. So maybe this is not a simple conversation.

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                  @Horace said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:

                  So maybe this is not a simple conversation.

                  I have my ideas, but no, I really don't think it is.

                  Please love yourself.

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                    #35

                    Speaking of Jordan Peterson, he released a podcast the other day of him reading his own forward to the 50th anniversary edition of Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago (abridged).

                    It's fantastic. He obviously spent a lot of time on it. He called being asked to write that forward 'the greatest honor ever bestowed upon him' and treated it with the seriousness you would expect from that.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Speaking of Jordan Peterson, he released a podcast the other day of him reading his own forward to the 50th anniversary edition of Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago (abridged).

                      It's fantastic. He obviously spent a lot of time on it. He called being asked to write that forward 'the greatest honor ever bestowed upon him' and treated it with the seriousness you would expect from that.

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                      @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:

                      Speaking of Jordan Peterson, he released a podcast the other day of him reading his own forward to the 50th anniversary edition of Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago (abridged).

                      It's fantastic. He obviously spent a lot of time on it. He called being asked to write the forward 'the greatest honor ever bestowed upon him' and treated it with the seriousness you would expect from that.

                      Already got me a copy. Yeah, it's awesome.

                      Please love yourself.

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                        Hear him read it.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          I got about half a chapter into that book, and was ready to open a vein. I don't think I made it any further.

                          I was only joking

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                            #39

                            Gulag Archipelago? Abridged or original?

                            At any rate the podcast is just him reading the forward.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              Original, I think. It was my dad's book. Probably still there. Fucking hell it was grim.

                              Misery loves company, and the Russians love misery.

                              I was only joking

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Hear him read it.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:

                                Hear him read it.

                                I did. 👍

                                Please love yourself.

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