Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test
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wrote on 4 Oct 2020, 21:33 last edited by
Meanwhile, see all the news about Biden?
Me, neither...
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wrote on 4 Oct 2020, 21:40 last edited by
@Jolly said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Meanwhile, see all the news about Biden?
Lid went on at 09:19 this AM.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 02:11 last edited by
Yeah, but we've all heard the stories where a person is doing well with Covid, everything seems to be going great, and then all of a sudden. . .
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Yeah, but we've all heard the stories where a person is doing well with Covid, everything seems to be going great, and then all of a sudden. . .
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 02:18 last edited by@Rainman said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Yeah, but we've all heard the stories where a person is doing well with Covid, everything seems to be going great, and then all of a sudden. . .
And, that could still happen...
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Yeah, but we've all heard the stories where a person is doing well with Covid, everything seems to be going great, and then all of a sudden. . .
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 02:57 last edited by@Rainman said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Yeah, but we've all heard the stories where a person is doing well with Covid, everything seems to be going great, and then all of a sudden. . .
They get hit by a bus. Yep.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 05:52 last edited by Klaus 10 May 2020, 05:58
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 06:49 last edited by Aqua Letifer 10 May 2020, 06:53
@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Is this true? Over here, osteopathy doctors are seen as similar to witch doctors, homeopathy etc. - that is, full of shit.
No, it isn't. At all.
In America, there are no "osteopaths." We have osteopathic physicians, and that distinction is vast. It's not like other countries. Here, osteopathic doctors go through the exact same schooling as MDs. Exact. Except they also have additional hours learning OMT, on top of what MDs have to do. And whatever people think about OMT is immaterial to a DO's credentials. DOs can and do choose any specialty they want, prescribe drugs, perform surgeries, and practice anywhere in the country.
For licensure, DOs have the option to take the USMLE just like MDs, and many do.
Sure, there are differences, but those differences are also blurring with each passing year.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 11:24 last edited by
What Aqua said.
At the university, we usually had 2-3 DOs in our training program. One of my partners in private practice was a DO. He was "scary good." I asked for him to administer anesthesia for my colonoscopy and my daughter's surgery.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 11:57 last edited by Klaus 10 May 2020, 12:02
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 11:57 last edited by
What attracts people to it to begin with? Are the schools easier to get into than med schools?
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But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:05 last edited by@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
As far as the basic tenets go, you're probably right. However, the education that osteopaths get is virtually identical to that from MD's. None of the osteopaths with whom I've worked have done or expressed anything remotely "witchcrafty." To a (wo)man, they were all good, safe, reasonable docs whom I trusted.
What attracts people to it to begin with? Are the schools easier to get into than med schools?
Yeah. They are, marginally easier to get into. The average GPA of students entering osteopathy schools is a bit lower than those who enter medical schools. I don't know if it's significantly lower (I doubt it), however.
Here's the curriculum of a school in the Chicago area.
The first year's curriculum is pretty classic, with one course per quarter on osteopathic manipulation. Second year is the same.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:08 last edited by
Compare to the first year curriculum at the University of Chicago:
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 14:33 last edited by
I had a very positive experience with a DO who helped me with a back issue years ago. I'd already seen a couple of orthopedic specialists along with a host of other people - one of my most positive health care experiences.
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@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
As far as the basic tenets go, you're probably right. However, the education that osteopaths get is virtually identical to that from MD's. None of the osteopaths with whom I've worked have done or expressed anything remotely "witchcrafty." To a (wo)man, they were all good, safe, reasonable docs whom I trusted.
What attracts people to it to begin with? Are the schools easier to get into than med schools?
Yeah. They are, marginally easier to get into. The average GPA of students entering osteopathy schools is a bit lower than those who enter medical schools. I don't know if it's significantly lower (I doubt it), however.
Here's the curriculum of a school in the Chicago area.
The first year's curriculum is pretty classic, with one course per quarter on osteopathic manipulation. Second year is the same.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 15:46 last edited by@George-K said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Yeah. They are, marginally easier to get into. The average GPA of students entering osteopathy schools is a bit lower than those who enter medical schools. I don't know if it's significantly lower (I doubt it), however.
You're looking at MCATs I'm guessin'. While you're right about the numbers, many students very incorrectly believe DO schools are "easier to get into." They ain't. They just weight admissions materials slightly differently.
jon, they're big on primary care, specifically in more rural communities. Students that want to work in those environments often get interested.
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But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 15:47 last edited by@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
And, you're wrong about that too. You got your DO degree at Dunning–Kruger University and you should probably stop.
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@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
And, you're wrong about that too. You got your DO degree at Dunning–Kruger University and you should probably stop.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 15:49 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
And, you're wrong about that too. You got your DO degree at Dunning–Kruger University and you should probably stop.
I have no clue what you mean by that.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
And, you're wrong about that too. You got your DO degree at Dunning–Kruger University and you should probably stop.
I have no clue what you mean by that.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 15:51 last edited by@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
And, you're wrong about that too. You got your DO degree at Dunning–Kruger University and you should probably stop.
I have no clue what you mean by that.
I mean you don't know what you're talking about here, but you seem to think you do. You're disparaging an entire medical field without knowing anything about how it differs.
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@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
And, you're wrong about that too. You got your DO degree at Dunning–Kruger University and you should probably stop.
I have no clue what you mean by that.
I mean you don't know what you're talking about here, but you seem to think you do. You're disparaging an entire medical field without knowing anything about how it differs.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 15:56 last edited by Klaus 10 May 2020, 16:05@Aqua-Letifer said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
And, you're wrong about that too. You got your DO degree at Dunning–Kruger University and you should probably stop.
I have no clue what you mean by that.
I mean you don't know what you're talking about here, but you seem to think you do. You're disparaging an entire medical field without knowing anything about how it differs.
No. Do you need to be an expert in astrology to conclude that it's hogwash?
It's not evidence-based medicine. Not being evidence-based means that there is no evidence that it works, or that there is evidence that it doesn't work. That's really all you need to know about it. It's a book for the "fiction" section, not "non-fiction". The details are irrelevant unless you are interested in fiction stories.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
But osteopathy isn't based on scientific evidence.
Even if somebody has all the knowledge that a normal medical doctor has, the fact that (s)he's willing to put up with witchcraft in one domain would make me question the overall trustworthiness. Either you believe in evidence-based medicine or not. Ex falso quodlibet. There's no in-between.
And, you're wrong about that too. You got your DO degree at Dunning–Kruger University and you should probably stop.
I have no clue what you mean by that.
I mean you don't know what you're talking about here, but you seem to think you do. You're disparaging an entire medical field without knowing anything about how it differs.
No. Do you need to be an expert in astrology to conclude that it's hogwash?
It's not evidence-based medicine. Not being evidence-based means that there is no evidence that it works, or that there is evidence that it doesn't work. That's really all you need to know about it. It's a book for the "fiction" section, not "non-fiction". The details are irrelevant unless you are interested in fiction stories.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 16:10 last edited by@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Do you need to be an expert in astrology to conclude that it's hogwash?
It's not evidence-based medicine.I think the issue is whether DOs practice "osteopathic medicine" or traditional "Western" medicine. My experiences has been that, overwhelmingly, it's the latter. DOs are just like any other doc in the way they practice.
That said, I don't know how much "osteopathy" they practice in their offices, generally speaking. I will say that the OBs, general surgeons, anesthesiologists with whom I worked were very "traditional." My daughter sees a DO as her primary care doc. He's just like any other GP.
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@Klaus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Do you need to be an expert in astrology to conclude that it's hogwash?
It's not evidence-based medicine.I think the issue is whether DOs practice "osteopathic medicine" or traditional "Western" medicine. My experiences has been that, overwhelmingly, it's the latter. DOs are just like any other doc in the way they practice.
That said, I don't know how much "osteopathy" they practice in their offices, generally speaking. I will say that the OBs, general surgeons, anesthesiologists with whom I worked were very "traditional." My daughter sees a DO as her primary care doc. He's just like any other GP.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 16:14 last edited by@George-K said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
I think the issue is whether DOs practice "osteopathic medicine" or traditional "Western" medicine. My experiences has been that, overwhelmingly, it's the latter. DOs are just like any other doc in the way they practice.
OK, fair enough. I was only talking about osteopathy, not about DOs doing evidence-based medicine.