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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    @Horace said in For Every 100 Girls -- There are This Many Boys::

    It turns out that nurturing cultures of lawlessness has consequences. Now hmmm which political side does all the nurturing...

    It also turns out that if you run a for-profit prison system, you end up with a lot more people in prison.

    Now, hmmmm which side supports for-profit prisons?

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    Horace
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    @Doctor-Phibes said in For Every 100 Girls -- There are This Many Boys::

    @Horace said in For Every 100 Girls -- There are This Many Boys::

    It turns out that nurturing cultures of lawlessness has consequences. Now hmmm which political side does all the nurturing...

    It also turns out that if you run a for-profit prison system, you end up with a lot more people in prison.

    Now, hmmmm which side supports for-profit prisons?

    I bet you would find consensus against those. I blame lobbyists and the swamp, not the electorate, for that one.

    Education is extremely important.

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      Doctor Phibes
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      #17

      https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2019/08/30/473966/private-prisons-profiting-trump-administration/

      "According to a report by the Sentencing Project8, about 4,841 immigrants were detained in for-profit facilities in 2000. By 2016, that number had soared to 26,249 immigrants—a 442 percent increase.9 In the wake of the DOJ’s decision to phase out the use of for-profit prisons, the Homeland Security Advisory Council reviewed10 the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) use of private immigration detention facilities. Immediately after this review was announced, the stock prices of private prison company giants CoreCivic—formerly the Corrections Corporation of America—and the GEO Group Inc. dropped by 9.4 percent and 6 percent, respectively.11 A majority of the council agreed with the view that DHS should begin to move away from using private prison facilities but recommended that while they were still in use, they “should come with improved and expanded [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement] oversight.”12

      Following the inauguration of President Donald Trump in January 2017, however, the administration immediately shifted course to robustly support private prisons. In February of that year, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions revoked the Obama administration’s initiative,13 and by April 2017, the DOJ began requesting bids for contracts to house federal inmates in private prison facilities14 once again. That same month, the GEO Group won a $110 million15 contract to build the first detention center under the new administration."

      The previous swamp appeared to be reducing them.

      In the Trump post-swamp swamp environment (the neo-swamp if you will), we're getting more.

      I was only joking

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        Well I am against for profit prisons and have never encountered a single person who is for them. If Trump personally found reason to enhance them then shame on him.

        Education is extremely important.

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          Doctor Phibes
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          #19

          The issue appears to be that the justice system just loves locking up lots of Americans. I think that blaming this on lefties is a bit much. There are plenty of lefties in the EU - lots more, and a lot more lefty than in America, in fact.

          I know, I know, locking people up is supposed to prevent crime, just as giving everybody lots of guns prevents homicide. The problem is, the statistics don't appear to support this conclusion.

          I was only joking

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            There are a lot more who should be locked up.

            We are nowhere near locking up enough bad people who do bad things.

            How many Nobel Laureates come out of US prisons?

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
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              See what I mean?

              I was only joking

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
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                We have an issue with diminishing returns for imprisoning people. Too many people born assuming they'll likely go to prison eventually, and not caring much. So we need to look elsewhere for solutions.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  To me, it comes down to if prison is to punish or to "rehibilitate". The US cannot seem to make up its mind. So, it swings from one side to the other, and it ends up being the worst of both sides.

                  (NOTE - before anybody says anything, I do think that there are some people who are just evil and probably cannot be rehabilitate. But, I also think that alot of people come OUT of prison a worse person than when they went IN)

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                    It is to protect.

                    Rehabilitation is fine, but mostly I think the danger should be managed.

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                      There's no such thing as a "for-profit prison". All prisons cost the State money. The question is whether the prison is staffed and administered by the state or whether those functions are taken over by a for-profit company.

                      Cost is usually the determining factor. And if the State decided to go the private route, the contract is bid out, just like any other.

                      Not to say that politics does not exist, just that I doubt very seriously that incarceration numbers are based on profit.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @Horace said in For Every 100 Girls -- There are This Many Boys::

                        It turns out that nurturing cultures of lawlessness has consequences. Now hmmm which political side does all the nurturing...

                        It also turns out that if you run a for-profit prison system, you end up with a lot more people in prison.

                        Now, hmmmm which side supports for-profit prisons?

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                        Larry
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                        @Doctor-Phibes said in For Every 100 Girls -- There are This Many Boys::

                        @Horace said in For Every 100 Girls -- There are This Many Boys::

                        It turns out that nurturing cultures of lawlessness has consequences. Now hmmm which political side does all the nurturing...

                        It also turns out that if you run a for-profit prison system, you end up with a lot more people in prison.

                        Now, hmmmm which side supports for-profit prisons?

                        Prisons, state run or for profit, are not the ones who convict, not the ones who set sentences, and are not the ones in charge of early release/parole. Absolutely nothing a for profit prison does affects the number of people in prison, how long they'll be there, or when they'll get out. So the "for profit prisons bad" narrative is all hat no cattle.

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          Regarding the last number on that list....

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in For Every 100 Girls -- There are This Many Boys::

                          Regarding the last number on that list....

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                          Wow! I knew our law enforcement was better than other countries, I just had no idea how much better!

                          Is it because US Police is so good or because other countries police is so bad?

                          A little of both?

                          The Brad

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            #28

                            A little of neither, I suspect.

                            I was only joking

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              [@Copper]
                              Men are no good.
                              [/@Copper]

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              #29

                              @Axtremus said in For Every 100 Girls -- There are This Many Boys::

                              [@Copper]
                              Men are no darned good.
                              [/@Copper]

                              FIFYNNTTM

                              Is that just those that are assigned as men at birth or those that transition to men? Are those that are assigned male but transition to female no darn good, still? Does a person assigned female but transitions to male become no darned good? Are they even even worse since they are choosing to become no darned good,

                              The Brad

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