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  • L Larry
    14 Sept 2020, 15:43

    I saw another clip from this movie yesterday. The scene was an adult white male arguing with a little black girl wearing a short shorts and a cut off T shirt. Apparently the man was up to nothing wrong, just trying to get her to not do something she wanted to do but shouldnt, she got mad and decided to do something that would get him in trouble. She grabbed his cell phone from him, then ran into the bathroom and locked the door. She then proceeded to pull her shorts down, squat in the floor, and stick the phone between her legs and take a picture of her hoohah. Then she opened the door and threw his phone at him.

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    George K
    wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 15:58 last edited by
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    @Larry said in "Cuties":

    She then proceeded to pull her shorts down, squat in the floor, and stick the phone between her legs and take a picture of her hoohah

    What the actual FUCK???

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • G George K
      14 Sept 2020, 15:58

      @Larry said in "Cuties":

      She then proceeded to pull her shorts down, squat in the floor, and stick the phone between her legs and take a picture of her hoohah

      What the actual FUCK???

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      Jolly
      wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 16:22 last edited by Jolly
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      @George-K said in "Cuties":

      @Larry said in "Cuties":

      She then proceeded to pull her shorts down, squat in the floor, and stick the phone between her legs and take a picture of her hoohah

      What the actual FUCK???

      It doesn't actually show her nether regions, but yeah, that's the scene as I've heard it described.

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        Klaus
        wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 05:45 last edited by
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        I disagree with canceling this show.

        It's the right wing version of cancel culture.

        It's also hypocritical given that nobody complains about these disturbing beauty contests for kids, which are just as sexualized.

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        • K Klaus
          17 Sept 2020, 05:45

          I disagree with canceling this show.

          It's the right wing version of cancel culture.

          It's also hypocritical given that nobody complains about these disturbing beauty contests for kids, which are just as sexualized.

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          George K
          wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 11:42 last edited by
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          @Klaus said in "Cuties":

          I disagree with canceling this show.

          It's the right wing version of cancel culture.

          It's also hypocritical given that nobody complains about these disturbing beauty contests for kids, which are just as sexualized.

          Several people on this forum have, correctly, imo, complained about the "beauty pageants" for kids.

          My understanding of "cancel culture" is that it is based on what one considers a politically incorrect idea. This seems to be outrage over the sexualization of young girls. Would you agree that there's a difference between those?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 12:08 last edited by
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            All this stuff gives me the creeps. Middle school and HS cheerleaders, beauty pageants for kids, the whole lot.

            Apart from anything else, it sends a pretty miserable message to girls about their role in the world.

            I was only joking

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            • G George K
              17 Sept 2020, 11:42

              @Klaus said in "Cuties":

              I disagree with canceling this show.

              It's the right wing version of cancel culture.

              It's also hypocritical given that nobody complains about these disturbing beauty contests for kids, which are just as sexualized.

              Several people on this forum have, correctly, imo, complained about the "beauty pageants" for kids.

              My understanding of "cancel culture" is that it is based on what one considers a politically incorrect idea. This seems to be outrage over the sexualization of young girls. Would you agree that there's a difference between those?

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              Klaus
              wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 12:09 last edited by
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              @George-K said in "Cuties":

              My understanding of "cancel culture" is that it is based on what one considers a politically incorrect idea. This seems to be outrage over the sexualization of young girls. Would you agree that there's a difference between those?

              The difference, as far as I see it, is merely that "politically incorrect" is replaced by a different "trigger", in this case titillating depiction of minors (from what I hear - haven't seen the trailer or anything).

              Are we going to ban "Lolita" and the movies based on it, too?

              Netflix shouldn't have removed "Gone with the wind". It shouldn't remove "Cuties" either. All the book burning and person/institution canceling leads to a dark place, regardless of whether it's "left-wing" or "right-wing". The only proper position, in my opinion, is that everything that's legal is fair game, and any bans/cancelllation/... should be restricted to the most extreme cases.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 12:15 last edited by
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                I would have thought it quite likely that having the movie on Netflix would cause more backlash against these dreadful events, but I haven't seen it.

                I was only joking

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                • K Klaus
                  17 Sept 2020, 12:09

                  @George-K said in "Cuties":

                  My understanding of "cancel culture" is that it is based on what one considers a politically incorrect idea. This seems to be outrage over the sexualization of young girls. Would you agree that there's a difference between those?

                  The difference, as far as I see it, is merely that "politically incorrect" is replaced by a different "trigger", in this case titillating depiction of minors (from what I hear - haven't seen the trailer or anything).

                  Are we going to ban "Lolita" and the movies based on it, too?

                  Netflix shouldn't have removed "Gone with the wind". It shouldn't remove "Cuties" either. All the book burning and person/institution canceling leads to a dark place, regardless of whether it's "left-wing" or "right-wing". The only proper position, in my opinion, is that everything that's legal is fair game, and any bans/cancelllation/... should be restricted to the most extreme cases.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 12:23 last edited by
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                  @Klaus said in "Cuties":

                  everything that's legal is fair game, and any bans/cancelllation/... should be restricted to the most extreme cases.

                  I agree.

                  (haven't seen the film, so I can't comment on whether it's extreme or not)

                  Would you consider Larry's description of the telephone incident "extreme?"

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • D Doctor Phibes
                    17 Sept 2020, 12:15

                    I would have thought it quite likely that having the movie on Netflix would cause more backlash against these dreadful events, but I haven't seen it.

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 12:24 last edited by
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in "Cuties":

                    I would have thought it quite likely that having the movie on Netflix would cause more backlash against these dreadful events, but I haven't seen it.

                    Yet. If it does that might be a good thing.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • G George K
                      17 Sept 2020, 12:23

                      @Klaus said in "Cuties":

                      everything that's legal is fair game, and any bans/cancelllation/... should be restricted to the most extreme cases.

                      I agree.

                      (haven't seen the film, so I can't comment on whether it's extreme or not)

                      Would you consider Larry's description of the telephone incident "extreme?"

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                      Klaus
                      wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 12:41 last edited by Klaus
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                      @George-K said in "Cuties":

                      Would you consider Larry's description of the telephone incident "extreme?"

                      I don't know. I'd have to actually watch it.

                      But in any case, many of us are annoyed about how meaningless the word "racism" has become since it has been applied to way too many things that are not actually racist. It would be wise to not make the same mistake with "pedophilia". In both cases it is tempting to misuse the great power this word gives to the speaker.

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 14:26 last edited by
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                        It is OK to censor child pornography.

                        Even if it creates some false-positive racism accusations.

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                        • C Copper
                          17 Sept 2020, 14:26

                          It is OK to censor child pornography.

                          Even if it creates some false-positive racism accusations.

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                          Klaus
                          wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 15:18 last edited by
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                          @Copper said in "Cuties":

                          It is OK to censor child pornography.

                          Yes. It is also OK to object to racism. But both should actually be true. There's no evidence that this movie contains any explicit material that would qualify as pornography, child or otherwise.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 15:34 last edited by
                            #33

                            Imagine if they started censoring movies that glorified and/or glamourised violence and/or criminal behaviour.

                            Netflix would be out of business in a week.

                            I was only joking

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                              Klaus
                              wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 15:38 last edited by Klaus
                              #34

                              OK, I watched the trailer now. Calling this "child pornography" is just ridiculous and insults the victims of actual child pornography.

                              Link to video

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                                Rainman
                                wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 15:46 last edited by
                                #35

                                Well, California just enacted a change in the law, where what used to be a misdemeanor if 4-years between the "couple" is now 10 years. I don't know: is that part of the slippery slope?

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 15:57 last edited by
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                                  There are various definitions of pornography.

                                  This is within some of them.

                                  Maybe not in others.

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                                  • C Copper
                                    17 Sept 2020, 15:57

                                    There are various definitions of pornography.

                                    This is within some of them.

                                    Maybe not in others.

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                                    Klaus
                                    wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 16:19 last edited by
                                    #37

                                    @Copper said in "Cuties":

                                    There are various definitions of pornography.
                                    This is within some of them.

                                    Then surely you should be able to explain one definition according to which this is pornography.

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 17:03 last edited by
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                                      OK, I'll give you 2 definitions wiki and google

                                      The phrase "I know it when I see it" is a colloquial expression by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was used in 1964 by United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio.[1][2] In explaining why the material at issue in the case was not obscene under the Roth test, and therefore was protected speech that could not be censored, Stewart wrote:

                                      I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.[3]

                                      https://www.google.com/search?q=pornography+definition&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS883US883&oq=pornography&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i57j0.3163j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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                                      • K Klaus
                                        17 Sept 2020, 15:38

                                        OK, I watched the trailer now. Calling this "child pornography" is just ridiculous and insults the victims of actual child pornography.

                                        Link to video

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                                        Larry
                                        wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:08 last edited by
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                                        @Klaus said in "Cuties":

                                        OK, I watched the trailer now. Calling this "child pornography" is just ridiculous and insults the victims of actual child pornography.

                                        Link to video

                                        If that was as bad as it got I would agree with you. Unfortunately, that trailer was so well cherry picked that it makes it look like a Disney movie.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:25 last edited by
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                                          Link to video||

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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