Celebrating Murder in Portland
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Remember Dylan Roof? The white kid who murdered the black people at church? He wanted to start a civil war. It didn’t work. It barely made a social ripple as I recall. But what if that happened now?
@Horace said in Celebrating Murder in Portland:
Remember Dylan Roof? The white kid who murdered the black people at church? He wanted to start a civil war. It didn’t work. It barely made a social ripple as I recall. But what if that happened now?
I disagree, from my perspective his shooting was the spark that lit the fire behind most of what you are still seeing today in terms of confederate statues being removed and the current “race war” some believe is going on.
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I was last in Portland in 2018. My first time was in 2014 (Hey @Kincaid !).
As Mrs. George and I traveled to the Hertz rental from the Amtrak station in our cab, the driver commented on how the city had gone downhill in the last 5 years. I can only imagine what he would be saying now, two years later.
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Just reminds me of 1968, a feverish madness has spread across the land. I have a friend who hoped to retire to Portland - no more thoughts of that on his part.
@kluurs said in Celebrating Murder in Portland:
Just reminds me of 1968, a feverish madness has spread across the land. I have a friend who hoped to retire to Portland - no more thoughts of that on his part.
I'm a bit older than you, and I remember 1968 as well.
Despite the rioting, etc, I think '68 was worse in terms of destruction - at least in Chicago.
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@kluurs said in Celebrating Murder in Portland:
Just reminds me of 1968, a feverish madness has spread across the land. I have a friend who hoped to retire to Portland - no more thoughts of that on his part.
I'm a bit older than you, and I remember 1968 as well.
Despite the rioting, etc, I think '68 was worse in terms of destruction - at least in Chicago.
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@George-K No question, 1968 was worse, but 2020 still has 4 months left - so plenty of time for apes with guns on horses to show up. Frankly, I'm looking forward to their arrival.
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@George-K No question, 1968 was worse, but 2020 still has 4 months left - so plenty of time for apes with guns on horses to show up. Frankly, I'm looking forward to their arrival.
@kluurs said in Celebrating Murder in Portland:
@George-K No question, 1968 was worse
I wasn't around a' course, but heard stories from my dad. He could smell the burned buildings from PG county.
On a 1-10 scale, @kluurs , how would you rate 1968, and 2020?
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@kluurs said in Celebrating Murder in Portland:
@George-K No question, 1968 was worse
I wasn't around a' course, but heard stories from my dad. He could smell the burned buildings from PG county.
On a 1-10 scale, @kluurs , how would you rate 1968, and 2020?
@Aqua-Letifer I think it's hard to compare.
Chicago ≠ Portland.
That said, it seems like Portland has lasted a LOT longer than Chicago did in summer of '68. Also seems to be more organized than Chicago was. The stuff in Chicago this year has risen, and then flamed out in a matter of days. Portland is sustained.
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@Aqua-Letifer I think it's hard to compare.
Chicago ≠ Portland.
That said, it seems like Portland has lasted a LOT longer than Chicago did in summer of '68. Also seems to be more organized than Chicago was. The stuff in Chicago this year has risen, and then flamed out in a matter of days. Portland is sustained.
@George-K said in Celebrating Murder in Portland:
@Aqua-Letifer I think it's hard to compare.
Chicago ≠ Portland.
That said, it seems like Portland has lasted a LOT longer than Chicago did in summer of '68. Also seems to be more organized than Chicago was. The stuff in Chicago this year has risen, and then flamed out in a matter of days. Portland is sustained.
It reminds me a lot of Evergreen. It not only sustained but built momentum precisely because the college president disallowed the police to set foot on the campus. So the kids got to try out some anarchy. A little more, a little more each hour. Professional assholes stringing the rest along because the regular crowd is curious about what happens when they do this next.
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Agree with George that the flames were hotter in 1968, and there were the assasinations which added a dimension. I don't know that things were so short lived. Kent State didn't happen until 1970. In some ways, I'm not sure that things completely settled down until the Nixon resignation. His sacrifice and the end of the Vietnam War seemed to calm the waters.
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A woman I worked with left the country in 1968 for Australia and stayed there for 20 years, thinking the end was near.
@kluurs said in Celebrating Murder in Portland:
A woman I worked with left the country in 1968 for Australia and stayed there for 20 years, thinking the end was near.
It's nice there. They don't really have this shit there. (Well anyway, they don't have the numbers.)
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In 68 the war was real and so was the draft.
Now the racism and so on is mostly nonsense.
There are certainly no government types advocating anything like racism, not even close.
The TDS is mostly nonsense.
It turns out that Mr. Nixon was a criminal. Not yet fully developed in 1968, but on his way.
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I live just a couple miles from Clackamas Town Center. This is the shopping mall where the Trump rally started and moved downtown where one of them - a Patriot Prayer member - was shot and killed.
I was in Oregon City helping my widowed FIL clean out the attic so missed all the craziness.
That was Sunday night. Then last evening, on Monday, we had several minutes of wailing sirens. Kind of close by but not sure what was going on. I assumed maybe more protesters or something.
Then this morning about 3:15 I woke up to more wailing sirens. Farther in the distance. Just going and going again for 5 or 10 minutes and not moving much that I could tell. I wondered if Antifa had decided to return the favor to Clackamas. I got up and searched the news but there wasn't anything live. I wondered if I might see marchers coming down the street and which of my guns I might have to grab. I recorded the local station that runs from 5 - 7 a.m. but there was nothing on it. No clue what was going on.
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