More drama at 60 minutes

[89th]

We can revisit this thread in a year to see the impact that Pelley was protesting about. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong and they'll pivot to a new shorter format: 59 Minutes.

[Horace]

There will probably never be any objective proof that the journalistic integrity changed. That discussion will always be dominated by non-disprovable tribal rhetoric from each side, who will claim the journalistic high ground. And if the ratings nosedive, that won't be much proof of anything either. But it seems obvious that the goals of the new leadership are to increase ratings. Pelley is hysterical, to the extent he even believes what he says. Or he's calculated and playing into the anti-Trump sentiment to jumpstart his substack. It's fun to be self-righteous, that much is true. And his actions were obviously intended to maximize the performative self-righteousness, and viral potential. To call it a sacrifice seems very generous.

[89th]

We'll find out in a year or so. If the show continues in more or less the same format, ratings, content... Pelley was a fool. If the show is no-more or objectively changed its journalistic reputation, then we'll know Pelley was right. Can you please ask Siri to remind you in a year to see if you or 89th were right?

[Horace]

The only objective thing will be the ratings. If you believe "reputation" is objectively measurable, then I'd be curious what 60 minutes' objective reputation is at this moment, and why you will find so many people who disagree that that is the objective reputation.

[Renauda]

I cannot recall ever watching a full instalment of 60 minutes. Any segments or clips I have seen haven’t been retained either.

[Mik]

They've had some very good work, but also some incredibly slanted pieces as well.

[89th]

@Horace said:

The only objective thing will be the ratings. If you believe "reputation" is objectively measurable, then I'd be curious what 60 minutes' objective reputation is at this moment, and why you will find so many people who disagree that that is the objective reputation.

This is the only place I'm aware of that does regular bias and accuracy measurements for almost every program you've heard of.

Reliability = Higher is better.
Bias = 0 is neutral, negative number is liberal, positive number is conservative.

Current scores:

60 Minutes
Reliability: +35
Bias: -9
https://adfontesmedia.com/60-minutes-bias-and-reliability/

FOx News
Reliability: +28
Biast: +18
Source: https://adfontesmedia.com/fox-news-primetime-bias-and-reliability/

[Horace]

I agree that TMZ is the gold standard of journalism.

[Horace]

I don't think it's reasonable to expect that Weiss and Bilton will send this sort of measurement careening further to the right than 60 minutes is currently on the left. That's not who Weiss or Bilton ever were.

[Horace]

Not to mention that the "Trumpism" so hated by everybody has little relation to directionally right politics. Unless you take the accusations of fascism seriously. Corruption, lying, authoritarianism, all the usual complaints, have little to nothing to do with the right/left dichotomy.

[Renauda]

@Horace

Unless you take the accusations of fascism seriously.

I can’t take the fascist accusation seriously, however there is a decidedly faint odour of Bonapartism wafting about Washington as of late. I suspect the stench will become stronger once the midterms are past and “His Exalted Loathsomeness” officially becomes a lame duck.

[Mik]