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  • HoraceH Horace

    Hadn't heard about this story (what a shock)

    https://open.substack.com/pub/konstantinkisin/p/henry-nowak-how-anti-racism-gave?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web

    I get that magnanimity like this makes one's arguments go down easier, but this is probably way too generous:

    I want to be precise here, because precision matters. I am not saying that the officers who attended the scene that night are bad people, or that they set out to let Henry Nowak die. I believe, in fact, the opposite: that they were following the spirit of their training, and of the culture that had been built around them, in good faith, over years. The problem is not the individuals. The problem is the system that produced them — a system that taught them, in effect, that an allegation of racism is a trump card that overrides normal investigative procedure, normal medical common sense, and normal human judgement.

    That system was built with the best of intentions, by people who genuinely wanted to address real injustices. And it has produced a policing culture in which a killer can stab a teenager five times, claim to be the victim of racism, and watch the officers handcuff the person bleeding out on the street.

    He's right that the officers are not bad people (and the same can almost certainly be said for every officer involved in the Floyd incident, with the arguable exception of Chauvin). But to think this self righteous moralizing culture was born of the best of intentions is far too simple an interpretation. There's plenty of opportunistic power grabbing there based on the social shaming and an exploitation of the desire of the masses to be seen by one's community as "decent" and not "evil". To think that everybody who cries "racism" is doing so out of a deep sense of justice is ignorant to the point of ridiculousness. This story itself clearly refutes that. The murderer cried racism because he knew it would work, and for no other reason.

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    @Horace said:

    Hadn't heard about this story (what a shock)

    Well it's all over the British news. If you looked at the BBC you'd have seen it front and center.

    I was only joking

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.

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      @jon-nyc said:

      I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.

      Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).

      So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?

      I was only joking

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        I didn’t handcuff anyone bleeding to death.

        And i know what happened to indira ghandi but even if I didn’t, I’m sufficiently good at multitasking to look it up while continuing to slag off the pakis.

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          @jon-nyc said:

          I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.

          Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).

          So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?

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          @Doctor-Phibes said:

          @jon-nyc said:

          I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.

          Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).

          So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?

          Link to video

          Education is extremely important.

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            Video starts at 5:00

            Link to video

            Cop: Has anybody been hurt?
            Victim: I can't breathe. I've been stabbed.
            Cop: I don't think you have, mate. <Slaps handcuffs on>

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              @Doctor-Phibes said:

              @jon-nyc said:

              I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.

              Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).

              So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?

              Link to video

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              @Horace said:

              @Doctor-Phibes said:

              @jon-nyc said:

              I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.

              Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).

              So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?

              Link to video

              That guys got a great afro.

              For a white guy.

              I was only joking

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              • HoraceH Horace

                Video starts at 5:00

                Link to video

                Cop: Has anybody been hurt?
                Victim: I can't breathe. I've been stabbed.
                Cop: I don't think you have, mate. <Slaps handcuffs on>

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                @Horace said:

                Cop: Has anybody been hurt?
                Victim: I can't breathe. I've been stabbed.
                Cop: I don't think you have, mate. <Slaps handcuffs on>

                No two ways about it - it's fucking horrendous.

                I was only joking

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                  @Horace said:

                  Cop: Has anybody been hurt?
                  Victim: I can't breathe. I've been stabbed.
                  Cop: I don't think you have, mate. <Slaps handcuffs on>

                  No two ways about it - it's fucking horrendous.

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                  Doctor-Phibes said:

                  @Horace said:

                  Cop: Has anybody been hurt?
                  Victim: I can't breathe. I've been stabbed.
                  Cop: I don't think you have, mate. <Slaps handcuffs on>

                  No two ways about it - it's fucking horrendous.

                  That being said, I have some English friends who are ex-cops. 'Woke' is not generally a word that springs to mind.

                  I was only joking

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                    I don't actually think these cops were "woke". This is a random awful mistake that happens to involve skin colors that make narratives. Which can be said for most of the opposite-direction narratives, like Floyd.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      I don't actually think these cops were "woke". This is a random awful mistake that happens to involve skin colors that make narratives. Which can be said for most of the opposite-direction narratives, like Floyd.

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                      @Horace said:

                      I don't actually think these cops were "woke". This is a random awful mistake that happens to involve skin colors that make narratives.

                      Yes, I agree. Of course, Nigel Farage is all over it like white on a Klan member just as people jumped all over Floyd's situation

                      I was only joking

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                        @jon-nyc said:

                        I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.

                        Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).

                        So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?

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                        @Doctor-Phibes said:

                        @jon-nyc said:

                        I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.

                        Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).

                        Not to mention the Air India bombing in the 1980s.

                        Usually though the Sikh underworld in this country is more akin the Sicilian mafia in the US, they’re too busy fighting one another than bother the general population. Sometimes though collateral damage arising from turf wars on the streets does occur.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • Andrea BA Andrea B

                          What is the most common name given to boys in London?

                          Screenshot 2026-06-02 at 4.09.52 PM.png

                          What about the rest of great britain?

                          Screenshot 2026-06-02 at 4.11.40 PM.png

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                          @Andrea-B said:

                          What is the most common name given to boys in London

                          Speaking as a northerner, we generally referred to them as ‘Wanker’

                          I was only joking

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                          • Andrea BA Andrea B

                            What is the most common name given to boys in London?

                            Screenshot 2026-06-02 at 4.09.52 PM.png

                            What about the rest of great britain?

                            Screenshot 2026-06-02 at 4.11.40 PM.png

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                            @Andrea-B said:

                            What is the most common name given to boys in London?

                            Screenshot 2026-06-02 at 4.11.40 PM.png

                            That's an interesting example of the use of statistics to sell a narrative. You'll notice there are no other Muslim names on the list, which implies that a high proportion of Muslim males are named Muhammad.

                            Incidentally, Mohammed is one of the two most common names amongst our engineers here at work, despite the fact that only 2 out of roughly 40 people are Muslim.

                            I was only joking

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