Woke cops in Britain
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Hadn't heard about this story (what a shock)
I get that magnanimity like this makes one's arguments go down easier, but this is probably way too generous:
I want to be precise here, because precision matters. I am not saying that the officers who attended the scene that night are bad people, or that they set out to let Henry Nowak die. I believe, in fact, the opposite: that they were following the spirit of their training, and of the culture that had been built around them, in good faith, over years. The problem is not the individuals. The problem is the system that produced them — a system that taught them, in effect, that an allegation of racism is a trump card that overrides normal investigative procedure, normal medical common sense, and normal human judgement.
That system was built with the best of intentions, by people who genuinely wanted to address real injustices. And it has produced a policing culture in which a killer can stab a teenager five times, claim to be the victim of racism, and watch the officers handcuff the person bleeding out on the street.
He's right that the officers are not bad people (and the same can almost certainly be said for every officer involved in the Floyd incident, with the arguable exception of Chauvin). But to think this self righteous moralizing culture was born of the best of intentions is far too simple an interpretation. There's plenty of opportunistic power grabbing there based on the social shaming and an exploitation of the desire of the masses to be seen by one's community as "decent" and not "evil". To think that everybody who cries "racism" is doing so out of a deep sense of justice is ignorant to the point of ridiculousness. This story itself clearly refutes that. The murderer cried racism because he knew it would work, and for no other reason.
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I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.
Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).
So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?
I was only joking
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I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.
Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).
So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?
Link to videoI didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.
Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).
So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?
Education is extremely important.
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Link to videoI didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.
Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).
So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?
Link to videoI didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.
Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).
So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?
That guys got a great afro.
For a white guy.
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Video starts at 5:00
Link to videoCop: Has anybody been hurt?
Victim: I can't breathe. I've been stabbed.
Cop: I don't think you have, mate. <Slaps handcuffs on> -
Doctor-Phibes said:
Cop: Has anybody been hurt?
Victim: I can't breathe. I've been stabbed.
Cop: I don't think you have, mate. <Slaps handcuffs on>No two ways about it - it's fucking horrendous.
That being said, I have some English friends who are ex-cops. 'Woke' is not generally a word that springs to mind.
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I don't actually think these cops were "woke". This is a random awful mistake that happens to involve skin colors that make narratives. Which can be said for most of the opposite-direction narratives, like Floyd.
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I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.
Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).
So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?
I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.
Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).
Not to mention the Air India bombing in the 1980s.
Usually though the Sikh underworld in this country is more akin the Sicilian mafia in the US, they’re too busy fighting one another than bother the general population. Sometimes though collateral damage arising from turf wars on the streets does occur.
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What is the most common name given to boys in London?
What about the rest of great britain?
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What is the most common name given to boys in London?
What about the rest of great britain?
What is the most common name given to boys in London?
That's an interesting example of the use of statistics to sell a narrative. You'll notice there are no other Muslim names on the list, which implies that a high proportion of Muslim males are named Muhammad.
Incidentally, Mohammed is one of the two most common names amongst our engineers here at work, despite the fact that only 2 out of roughly 40 people are Muslim.
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One way in which woke did play a role here, is in the narrative fashioned by the murderer's brother, after he finally called 911. He described it as self defense again a racial attack perpetrated by the white guy, and we have no reason to believe the dispatcher and officers didn't buy that unquestioningly, nor that that accepted narrative didn't affect their actions once they got onto the scene.
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Another "woke" angle which seems indisputable to me in this case is the religious exception for big knives, which are otherwise illegal. I'm sure some say that that's not "woke", it's only respect for religion, but that holds water only to the extent that a similar exception might be made for the native majority white religion, if it had some holy weaponry that was otherwise illegal. In that case, the "woke" ideology would obviously squish any exception for the native white culture. I know that's a hypothetical, but I'm happy to allow those who reject that premise to do so, and tell on themselves that they are not connected to reality. Under no circumstance would the elite progressive western culture allow the common majority white culture to enjoy an exception over all the minorities like that.
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Fucking J D Vance is a tool, blaming the murder on immigration FFS. His wife should have a quiet word with him.
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Fucking J D Vance is a tool, blaming the murder on immigration FFS. His wife should have a quiet word with him.
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Fucking J D Vance is a tool, blaming the murder on immigration FFS. His wife should have a quiet word with him.
His wife probably agrees with the fully contextualized quote.
Fucking J D Vance is a tool, blaming the murder on immigration FFS. His wife should have a quiet word with him.
His wife probably agrees with the fully contextualized quote.
Is the following the “contextualized quote” to which you refer?
"Henry Nowak died the same way a civilization dies: abandoned, handcuffed by authorities who neither trusted nor cared for him, and accused of hate crimes he did not commit," Vance said on X. "Each time a life like his is lost, the proper response — the only response — is righteous anger."
Sounds like more like harumpfing indignation to incite the populist rabble.
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Fucking J D Vance is a tool, blaming the murder on immigration FFS. His wife should have a quiet word with him.
His wife probably agrees with the fully contextualized quote.
Is the following the “contextualized quote” to which you refer?
"Henry Nowak died the same way a civilization dies: abandoned, handcuffed by authorities who neither trusted nor cared for him, and accused of hate crimes he did not commit," Vance said on X. "Each time a life like his is lost, the proper response — the only response — is righteous anger."
Sounds like more like harumpfing indignation to incite the populist rabble.
Fucking J D Vance is a tool, blaming the murder on immigration FFS. His wife should have a quiet word with him.
His wife probably agrees with the fully contextualized quote.
Is the following the “contextualized quote” to which you refer?
"Henry Nowak died the same way a civilization dies: abandoned, handcuffed by authorities who neither trusted nor cared for him, and accused of hate crimes he did not commit," Vance said on X. "Each time a life like his is lost, the proper response — the only response — is righteous anger."
Sounds like more like harumpfing indignation to incite the populist rabble.
This is that whole tweet:
Henry Nowak died the same way a civilization dies: abandoned, handcuffed by authorities who neither trusted nor cared for him, and accused of hate crimes he did not commit. His murder is as tragic as it is enraging. He should still be alive today, and he would be if the last few generations of European elites had stood their ground against the politics of self-hatred and the mass invasion of migrants, many of whom despise the West and the people who love it.
Henry was far from the first to so needlessly lose his life, and I fear he won’t be the last. Each time a life like his is lost, the proper response—the only response—is righteous anger. One of the most important things the Trump administration has proven to the world is that stopping the flow of mass migration and defending national sovereignty is a matter of political will and leadership. Anything else is an excuse.
It is because we love the West that we want to preserve it. We love our civilization. We love our country. We love our children. And nobody—nobody—should ever die the way that Henry Nowak died. May God comfort those who loved him, and may God rest his soul.
I assume that's it, but I don't know exactly what Phibes was referring to. That tweet is political opportunism, but it makes a point against a problem that millions consider real, and those millions aren't entirely nuts IMO. The cultural self-hatred and "suicidal empathy" of the progressive west has been a problem for a long time. Since long before Vance and his boss got here. The tweet is not so simple as blaming legal and thoughtfully controlled immigration for this murder. JD and his boss have always been on record as supporting legal and thoughtfully controlled immigration. If it took Trump to put this idea in the spotlight that historically white western culture is something to be mostly proud of rather than ashamed of, especially when compared against any other culture that's ever existed, then it took Trump. So be it, because that idiotic idea that white people born in the west need to apologize right out of the womb, while the rest of the world is encouraged to preen publicly about their own culture, is a source of a great deal of resentment that eventually helped to usher in MAGA in America and plenty of analogous political movements elsewhere.
Education is extremely important.
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I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.
Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).
So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?
I didn’t realize that. Sikh’s are anything but foul. Rather surprising.
Maybe take a moment off from slagging off the Pakis with your British chums and go look up what happened to Indira Gandhi (a rather foul Hindu, incidentally, if you listen to Salman Rushdie).
So, when you made an assumption about who the killer was, it was perfectly natural, but when the police made a completely different but equally wrong assumption, it was because they were hopelessly woke?
I’ve always been curious. What was the take of a regular Brit observer on that whole episode?
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