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Medical Mary Jane

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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    @LuFins-Dad said in Medical Mary Jane:

    Psychology is based on nebulous and non physical concepts and precepts. I find it difficult to call a science.

    Psychiatry is supposedly based on physical and biological reasoning. The precepts are supposed to be able to be tested, theories are supposed to be provable, and results are supposed to be repeatable. As you can tell by my double use of supposed, you can tell that I have…concerns.

    How much have you really looked into either practice?

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    @Aqua-Letifer said in Medical Mary Jane:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Medical Mary Jane:

    Psychology is based on nebulous and non physical concepts and precepts. I find it difficult to call a science.

    Psychiatry is supposedly based on physical and biological reasoning. The precepts are supposed to be able to be tested, theories are supposed to be provable, and results are supposed to be repeatable. As you can tell by my double use of supposed, you can tell that I have…concerns.

    How much have you really looked into either practice?

    Slightly more than most of the subjects we all go on about.

    The Brad

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      Horace
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      #21

      I got a flyer on my doorknob a couple months ago for a company that delivers pot.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • George KG George K

        Mrs. George's pain doc suggested that she try medical cannabis for her chronic pain issues (which, as I mentioned in another thread are remarkably well-controlled with opioids). So she did.

        It was a totally ineffective, uncomfortable, and expensive experiment.

        She went from vaping (coughed her lungs out) to edibles (no effect unless she got stoned) to...quitting.

        The thing that gets me is that here, in the early 21st century, we're suggesting that an unregulated, unmeasured and un-studied chemical is being advocated as a treatment for....whatever ails you.

        That's bullshit.

        Find a disease. Find a medication. Find the dose that you suspect works. Then do the science.

        There's no "science" behind this. Formulations, doses, frequencies are all not studied. This, in my opinion is total bullshit.

        Does it work? Maybe. Show me the studies. Show me the double-blind, peer-reviewed studies. I'll wait.

        I don't have enough knowledge to sat that cannabis is a safe intoxicant. It might be safer than alcohol for all I know.

        But, don't tell me it's a panacea for chronic pain, anxiety, insomnia without showing me (there's that pesky word again) the science.

        As I said, it might be safer than alcohol, which only has a three thousand year history, but as a treatment for disease, you guys can do better. A lot better.

        MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
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        #22

        @George-K said in Medical Mary Jane:

        Mrs. George's pain doc suggested that she try medical cannabis for her chronic pain issues (which, as I mentioned in another thread are remarkably well-controlled with opioids). So she did.

        It was a totally ineffective, uncomfortable, and expensive experiment.

        She went from vaping (coughed her lungs out) to edibles (no effect unless she got stoned) to...quitting.

        The thing that gets me is that here, in the early 21st century, we're suggesting that an unregulated, unmeasured and un-studied chemical is being advocated as a treatment for....whatever ails you.

        That's bullshit.

        Find a disease. Find a medication. Find the dose that you suspect works. Then do the science.

        There's no "science" behind this. Formulations, doses, frequencies are all not studied. This, in my opinion is total bullshit.

        Does it work? Maybe. Show me the studies. Show me the double-blind, peer-reviewed studies. I'll wait.

        I don't have enough knowledge to sat that cannabis is a safe intoxicant. It might be safer than alcohol for all I know.

        But, don't tell me it's a panacea for chronic pain, anxiety, insomnia without showing me (there's that pesky word again) the science.

        As I said, it might be safer than alcohol, which only has a three thousand year history, but as a treatment for disease, you guys can do better. A lot better.

        I wholly agree. I think it should be legal, but not canonized as it is now.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • George KG George K

          Mrs. George's pain doc suggested that she try medical cannabis for her chronic pain issues (which, as I mentioned in another thread are remarkably well-controlled with opioids). So she did.

          It was a totally ineffective, uncomfortable, and expensive experiment.

          She went from vaping (coughed her lungs out) to edibles (no effect unless she got stoned) to...quitting.

          The thing that gets me is that here, in the early 21st century, we're suggesting that an unregulated, unmeasured and un-studied chemical is being advocated as a treatment for....whatever ails you.

          That's bullshit.

          Find a disease. Find a medication. Find the dose that you suspect works. Then do the science.

          There's no "science" behind this. Formulations, doses, frequencies are all not studied. This, in my opinion is total bullshit.

          Does it work? Maybe. Show me the studies. Show me the double-blind, peer-reviewed studies. I'll wait.

          I don't have enough knowledge to sat that cannabis is a safe intoxicant. It might be safer than alcohol for all I know.

          But, don't tell me it's a panacea for chronic pain, anxiety, insomnia without showing me (there's that pesky word again) the science.

          As I said, it might be safer than alcohol, which only has a three thousand year history, but as a treatment for disease, you guys can do better. A lot better.

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          @George-K said in Medical Mary Jane:

          The thing that gets me is that here, in the early 21st century, we're suggesting that an unregulated, unmeasured and un-studied chemical is being advocated as a treatment for....whatever ails you.

          That's bullshit.

          I agree with that 100%. Cannabis is fun. Well, it used to be. As I got older it started to not be so much fun. It actually made me feel worse then when I was not using it. So I stopped. Full stop. No withdrawal, physical or psychological. Period.

          It's a choice to use cannabis. 100% a choice.

          Best way to smoke cannabis is with a bong with ice water in it. Edibles do little to nothing for me. I built up such a tolerance to it, that even smoking very high grade pot, didn't even get me stoned any longer. What's the point in that? 😄

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            Most people think of cannabis as something that makes memories fuzzy. But new research suggests it can do something more surprising: make false memories feel real.

            While cannabis is often associated with forgetfulness, a new study suggests that acute cannabis intoxication can also subtly distort memory, shaping not just what we recall, but how accurately we recall it. The findings expand on decades of research on cannabis and recall, pointing to a more complex effect on the brain’s memory systems.

            https://www.nationalgeographic.com/health/article/how-cannabis-affects-memory-thc-false-recall

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
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              I went to a dispensary yesterday with daughter, which was a little weird. Copping dope with my father was not in my experience. They are manned by “budtenders” who want tips. I never had to tip a dealer.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • MikM Mik

                I went to a dispensary yesterday with daughter, which was a little weird. Copping dope with my father was not in my experience. They are manned by “budtenders” who want tips. I never had to tip a dealer.

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                @Mik 555

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                  Tom-K
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                  @Mik it just shows you how the world is going to hell.

                  OK now, dumb question: does one actually get "high" off of medical marijuana like one did in the "good old days"--or is this something different?

                  Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote last edited by Mik
                    #28

                    Much more so. The stuff today is exponentially stronger. It was the main reason I quit like 48 years ago.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      Mik actually quit 48 hours ago, but the stuff today is exponentially stronger.

                      I was only joking

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