Medical Mary Jane
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Addiction and withdrawl are two gravely misused words, in my experience. The first has come to be applied to any repeated bad habit or behavior, while the former seems only to be applied to debilitating effects upon stopping use.
Neither use is really accurate. One can be addicted to opiates or cocaine, for instance. With opiates or benzos, the withdrawl symptoms (which are harder to establish than people want to admit) begin some hours after use ceases. It can last for days. With cocaine, withdrawl begins while you are still under the influence but don't have more to keep the high going at full steam. It lasts a couple or three hours, and once the effect fades, so does the craving. The physical addiction only lasts as long as the withdrawl.
I would define addiction as one where the withdraw IS debilitating. I would define withdrawl as any physical or psychological effect from stopping use.
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"Physical addiction" is probably better defined as physiologic dependence. In other words, if the substance is withdrawn, there will be measurable, physical changes that occur to your body with the withdrawal. Hypertension, sweating, fever, and seizures can occur. Narcotic, alcohol and benzo withdrawal are classic in this regard.
"Psychologic" is something different. Even though you will not have autonomic signs of withdrawal, you will feel terrible. Acute opiate withdrawal is both - and the physiologic part can kill you. "Feeling terrible" never killed anyone, at least not directly.
Mrs George is a chronic pain patient. She has been taking a steady dose of opiates for more than 20 years. She is not psychologically addicted. She actually forgets to take her meds every now and then. However, if she stops for a prolonged time, physiology kicks in, and it's not pleasant.
At least one site I found says that chronic cannabis users can have physiologic withdrawal.
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Psychology is based on nebulous and non physical concepts and precepts. I find it difficult to call a science.
Psychiatry is supposedly based on physical and biological reasoning. The precepts are supposed to be able to be tested, theories are supposed to be provable, and results are supposed to be repeatable. As you can tell by my double use of supposed, you can tell that I have…concerns.
@LuFins-Dad said in Medical Mary Jane:
Psychology is based on nebulous and non physical concepts and precepts. I find it difficult to call a science.
Psychiatry is supposedly based on physical and biological reasoning. The precepts are supposed to be able to be tested, theories are supposed to be provable, and results are supposed to be repeatable. As you can tell by my double use of supposed, you can tell that I have…concerns.
How much have you really looked into either practice?
Please love yourself.
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Mrs. George's pain doc suggested that she try medical cannabis for her chronic pain issues (which, as I mentioned in another thread are remarkably well-controlled with opioids). So she did.
It was a totally ineffective, uncomfortable, and expensive experiment.
She went from vaping (coughed her lungs out) to edibles (no effect unless she got stoned) to...quitting.
The thing that gets me is that here, in the early 21st century, we're suggesting that an unregulated, unmeasured and un-studied chemical is being advocated as a treatment for....whatever ails you.
That's bullshit.
Find a disease. Find a medication. Find the dose that you suspect works. Then do the science.
There's no "science" behind this. Formulations, doses, frequencies are all not studied. This, in my opinion is total bullshit.
Does it work? Maybe. Show me the studies. Show me the double-blind, peer-reviewed studies. I'll wait.
I don't have enough knowledge to sat that cannabis is a safe intoxicant. It might be safer than alcohol for all I know.
But, don't tell me it's a panacea for chronic pain, anxiety, insomnia without showing me (there's that pesky word again) the science.
As I said, it might be safer than alcohol, which only has a three thousand year history, but as a treatment for disease, you guys can do better. A lot better.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Medical Mary Jane:
Psychology is based on nebulous and non physical concepts and precepts. I find it difficult to call a science.
Psychiatry is supposedly based on physical and biological reasoning. The precepts are supposed to be able to be tested, theories are supposed to be provable, and results are supposed to be repeatable. As you can tell by my double use of supposed, you can tell that I have…concerns.
How much have you really looked into either practice?
@Aqua-Letifer said in Medical Mary Jane:
@LuFins-Dad said in Medical Mary Jane:
Psychology is based on nebulous and non physical concepts and precepts. I find it difficult to call a science.
Psychiatry is supposedly based on physical and biological reasoning. The precepts are supposed to be able to be tested, theories are supposed to be provable, and results are supposed to be repeatable. As you can tell by my double use of supposed, you can tell that I have…concerns.
How much have you really looked into either practice?
Slightly more than most of the subjects we all go on about.
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Mrs. George's pain doc suggested that she try medical cannabis for her chronic pain issues (which, as I mentioned in another thread are remarkably well-controlled with opioids). So she did.
It was a totally ineffective, uncomfortable, and expensive experiment.
She went from vaping (coughed her lungs out) to edibles (no effect unless she got stoned) to...quitting.
The thing that gets me is that here, in the early 21st century, we're suggesting that an unregulated, unmeasured and un-studied chemical is being advocated as a treatment for....whatever ails you.
That's bullshit.
Find a disease. Find a medication. Find the dose that you suspect works. Then do the science.
There's no "science" behind this. Formulations, doses, frequencies are all not studied. This, in my opinion is total bullshit.
Does it work? Maybe. Show me the studies. Show me the double-blind, peer-reviewed studies. I'll wait.
I don't have enough knowledge to sat that cannabis is a safe intoxicant. It might be safer than alcohol for all I know.
But, don't tell me it's a panacea for chronic pain, anxiety, insomnia without showing me (there's that pesky word again) the science.
As I said, it might be safer than alcohol, which only has a three thousand year history, but as a treatment for disease, you guys can do better. A lot better.
@George-K said in Medical Mary Jane:
Mrs. George's pain doc suggested that she try medical cannabis for her chronic pain issues (which, as I mentioned in another thread are remarkably well-controlled with opioids). So she did.
It was a totally ineffective, uncomfortable, and expensive experiment.
She went from vaping (coughed her lungs out) to edibles (no effect unless she got stoned) to...quitting.
The thing that gets me is that here, in the early 21st century, we're suggesting that an unregulated, unmeasured and un-studied chemical is being advocated as a treatment for....whatever ails you.
That's bullshit.
Find a disease. Find a medication. Find the dose that you suspect works. Then do the science.
There's no "science" behind this. Formulations, doses, frequencies are all not studied. This, in my opinion is total bullshit.
Does it work? Maybe. Show me the studies. Show me the double-blind, peer-reviewed studies. I'll wait.
I don't have enough knowledge to sat that cannabis is a safe intoxicant. It might be safer than alcohol for all I know.
But, don't tell me it's a panacea for chronic pain, anxiety, insomnia without showing me (there's that pesky word again) the science.
As I said, it might be safer than alcohol, which only has a three thousand year history, but as a treatment for disease, you guys can do better. A lot better.
I wholly agree. I think it should be legal, but not canonized as it is now.
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Mrs. George's pain doc suggested that she try medical cannabis for her chronic pain issues (which, as I mentioned in another thread are remarkably well-controlled with opioids). So she did.
It was a totally ineffective, uncomfortable, and expensive experiment.
She went from vaping (coughed her lungs out) to edibles (no effect unless she got stoned) to...quitting.
The thing that gets me is that here, in the early 21st century, we're suggesting that an unregulated, unmeasured and un-studied chemical is being advocated as a treatment for....whatever ails you.
That's bullshit.
Find a disease. Find a medication. Find the dose that you suspect works. Then do the science.
There's no "science" behind this. Formulations, doses, frequencies are all not studied. This, in my opinion is total bullshit.
Does it work? Maybe. Show me the studies. Show me the double-blind, peer-reviewed studies. I'll wait.
I don't have enough knowledge to sat that cannabis is a safe intoxicant. It might be safer than alcohol for all I know.
But, don't tell me it's a panacea for chronic pain, anxiety, insomnia without showing me (there's that pesky word again) the science.
As I said, it might be safer than alcohol, which only has a three thousand year history, but as a treatment for disease, you guys can do better. A lot better.
@George-K said in Medical Mary Jane:
The thing that gets me is that here, in the early 21st century, we're suggesting that an unregulated, unmeasured and un-studied chemical is being advocated as a treatment for....whatever ails you.
That's bullshit.
I agree with that 100%. Cannabis is fun. Well, it used to be. As I got older it started to not be so much fun. It actually made me feel worse then when I was not using it. So I stopped. Full stop. No withdrawal, physical or psychological. Period.
It's a choice to use cannabis. 100% a choice.
Best way to smoke cannabis is with a bong with ice water in it. Edibles do little to nothing for me. I built up such a tolerance to it, that even smoking very high grade pot, didn't even get me stoned any longer. What's the point in that?
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Most people think of cannabis as something that makes memories fuzzy. But new research suggests it can do something more surprising: make false memories feel real.
While cannabis is often associated with forgetfulness, a new study suggests that acute cannabis intoxication can also subtly distort memory, shaping not just what we recall, but how accurately we recall it. The findings expand on decades of research on cannabis and recall, pointing to a more complex effect on the brain’s memory systems.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/health/article/how-cannabis-affects-memory-thc-false-recall
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I went to a dispensary yesterday with daughter, which was a little weird. Copping dope with my father was not in my experience. They are manned by “budtenders” who want tips. I never had to tip a dealer.
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I went to a dispensary yesterday with daughter, which was a little weird. Copping dope with my father was not in my experience. They are manned by “budtenders” who want tips. I never had to tip a dealer.
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